[WoW] 2.4.3 Patch Notes

[Makata]

Originally Posted by Kolle

maybe he should play a main tank or healer then. they are much more responsible for a mob dying than just one dps.

The healer does 0 damage and the tank does 1/3 or less of what a dps does. The mob dies via damage, not healing. Again .. don't give 2 shits about the whole teamwork / cooperation thing. I'm there for my own enjoyment which comes partially from big fucking 4 digit numbers (partly why I prefer backstab to mutilate) and partially from some misappropriated sense of pride based on some mod telling me I'm responsible for 0.3% more of the damage than the next guy.

[Xequecal]

You've got to be shitting me. The importance of DPS is a small fraction of the importance of healers and tanks. In fact one of the things that made Sunwell so hard is it's the first raid zone Blizzard ever created where the DPS couldn't just phone in their performances and still get shit dead.

[LadyVex]

Originally Posted by Makata

The healer does 0 damage and the tank does 1/3 or less of what a dps does. The mob dies via damage, not healing. Again .. don't give 2 shits about the whole teamwork / cooperation thing. I'm there for my own enjoyment which comes partially from big fucking 4 digit numbers (partly why I prefer backstab to mutilate) and partially from some misappropriated sense of pride based on some mod telling me I'm responsible for 0.3% more of the damage than the next guy.

This is sarcasm right?

I mean...those first lines...are sarcasm? This is tongue in cheek, yea? It's a joke?

I can't wrap my head around this.

[Zehn - Vhex]

It's not about importance. Without tank healers he'd do maybe .1% damage to a raid boss before being flatted. So 99.9% of his damage belongs to the healers/tank anyways. And even if you discount that factor, more then 30% of his damage belongs to various class synergies anyways.

It's just that like most b.net tards they don't care about this since they're too busy going "OOOH 3k crit, I got a 3k crit!" to notice that in those 2 seconds I kept the tank alive, the raid did a cumulative 27k dps, so I effectively did 54,000 damage to his measly 3k crit.

[Zest]

You can only play a Warrior if you have friends.

[Makata]

No shit sherlocks. Obviously you don't go in and kill a boss with 25 rogues. What a startling revelation. But the tank is going to be there. So are the healers. So are the rest of the dps. As far as I'm concerned, you take take it for granted that those elements are in place.

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

It's just that like most b.net tards they don't care about this since they're too busy going "OOOH 3k crit, I got a 3k crit!" to notice that in those 2 seconds I kept the tank alive, the raid did a cumulative 27k dps, so I effectively did 54,000 damage to his measly 3k crit.

If you want to call me a b.net retard to feel better then go ahead but you're partially right. I don't care. Why should I? Okay so you kept the tank alive. That isn't exciting. That doesn't provide any diablo-esque enjoyment from grossly overpowering your enemies. Getting that 3k crit lets me think for a moment or 2 "holy shit, this character is fucking overpowered" even if it's based on completely false assumptions.

I'm not interested in whether or not I actually am useful to the raid; I know that for the most part I'm not. I'm interested in whether or not I FEEL useful to the raid and I accomplish this by linking the damage meter in guild chat when the boss is dead and proclaiming, "Look! Look at me! That's my name up there!"

PS: I semi-embellished that last paragraph in hopes someone might quote it in a sig to make me look stupid.

[Zhakran]

Originally Posted by Makata

No shit sherlocks. Obviously you don't go in and kill a boss with 25 rogues. What a startling revelation. But the tank is going to be there. So are the healers. So are the rest of the dps. As far as I'm concerned, you take take it for granted that those elements are in place.

If you want to call me a b.net retard to feel better then go ahead but you're partially right. I don't care. Why should I? Okay so you kept the tank alive. That isn't exciting. That doesn't provide any diablo-esque enjoyment from grossly overpowering your enemies. Getting that 3k crit lets me think for a moment or 2 "holy shit, this character is fucking overpowered" even if it's based on completely false assumptions.

I'm not interested in whether or not I actually am useful to the raid; I know that for the most part I'm not. I'm interested in whether or not I FEEL useful to the raid and I accomplish this by linking the damage meter in guild chat when the boss is dead and proclaiming, "Look! Look at me! That's my name up there!"

PS: I semi-embellished that last paragraph in hopes someone might quote it in a sig to make me look stupid.

If you don't get a rush out of healing you have no soul, I'm sorry.

I don't care how semi-embellished it is, your entire post is just creepy. It's like someone bumped the IQ of the average WoW player up to 85 so he could actually understand his own juvenile urges, and forced him to commit them to writing. It's fucking scary. If you ever crit a boss for 3k damage, or 6k, or whatever and get half a chubby as the boss's 65% health stays at 65% you are beyond hope.

There is a reason WoW is not Diablo. No MMO is Diablo, at least not any worthwhile one. It's the collective accomplishment of 25 or 40 or 54 or 72 people working together that makes the endgame so rewarding. Luckily enough, many other games exist to satisfy your urges to own your imaginary foes in incredible fashion with enormous explosions and torrents of blazing lightning. Most of them have cheat codes if they're too hard, so don't worry about that.

Edit: Oh yeah one more thing I should add: one major reason guilds fail at the upper tier of content is because a lot of their DPS classes are filled with people like Makata. You can get through a ton of raids where your rogues and hunters etc. are NOT useful or important. Hell they can just die or do 600 dps on most fights and all that happens is you'll take longer to win. Amusingly enough, once they actually have to do completely optimized DPS or do something other than jerk off to DPS meters, guilds find they can't win anymore just because they have two great tanks and adequate healing.

Most people who play tanks and healers(note I said most) care about the group mindset; they choose these roles to fill a specific purpose in a raid or group. Many, many more DPS are just like Makata, but too dumb to even vocalize why they do what they do: they just want to look at big numbers, and pew pew. Many just stick to BGs/soloing/heroics etc, but when they wander into 25 mans, they drag guilds down. Sad really. Very sad.

[Ukerric]

Originally Posted by LadyVex

I can't wrap my head around this.

The "Ignore" feature is your friend. Your very good friend. In fact, it should be transitive, and it should also hide anyone who replies to an ignored post, because I get exposed to Mataka thru people who persist in not ignoring, and quoting his posts.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by Makata

What makes you think I don't understand it? I understand it perfectly well, I just don't care. I can't link the meter and say "yea well if you counted all the damage I added to other people I would totally be in 1st." I don't give a flying fuck if you call it narcissistic, selfish or whatever else but the only thing that ever remotely interested me in raids in tbc when I started seriously doing them (ie early ssc when I first joined my current guild) was being #1 or maybe #2 on the meter. If I was #3 or below I basically just stopped trying as it seemed rather pointless. I raid for the self-validation of thinking I'm the one most responsible for seeing this mob's dead body.

I (and many others did already) can assure you that direct dps is the least important part when all is counted.
You live only by a graphical representation, which is why all the dumbfucks like you keep pointing at meters like a form of epeen stimulation, when they should be used exclusively as tools to improve yourself and others performances.
The day recount or any other parser will switch to effective raid dps, we will finally see players like you disappear from such discussions, but what am I dreaming? You'll certainly switch to the class that will give your fap-fap #1 spot, whichever it will be.

[Kolle]

I've always wanted someone to make an "attributed" dps mod. There's too many people out there that can't think things through very well. For example, If you're the main tank then you are stacking sunders. All that extra damage would be attributed to the tank. It's just as much his as a mage hitting the mob with fireball.

Even if makata gets #1 on some dps chart, he's not really the one contributing the most damage. The dps chart fails to take into account too many factors. Heal/dps charts are shit in general.

[Dabamf]

at what point do you people realize that you can no sooner win an argument with makata than you can win an argument with a rock?

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Deris

Last oh maybe 20 WSG games, I was the only healer, on both sides :/.

That's because unless you roll with 2 or 3 other guildmates, the rest of the people in a battleground are likely to be complete and utter fucking retards.

I love all of Warcraft, but dear god, the honor grind is fucking painful, especially doing it for multiple specs for multiple characters.

[Itzena]

Makata is a gimmick account of one of the FoH people - calling it now.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Makata

The healer does 0 damage and the tank does 1/3 or less of what a dps does. The mob dies via damage, not healing. Again .. don't give 2 shits about the whole teamwork / cooperation thing. I'm there for my own enjoyment which comes partially from big fucking 4 digit numbers (partly why I prefer backstab to mutilate) and partially from some misappropriated sense of pride based on some mod telling me I'm responsible for 0.3% more of the damage than the next guy.

This is like saying a car moves because the wheels turn and that's more important then the gas that goes in the tank....

Also a rogue that knows when not to do damage is 2x as valuable as one who tops the DPS charts.
A rogue who knows when to stun lock a rogue mob thats trying to gib a healer is 3x as valuable as a rogue who knows how to top the DPS charts.


I was healing an Bot run yesterday and a DPS happy warlock was getting shitty because I wasn't healing him fast enough...
I wasn't healing him fast enough?? That kind of shit pisses me off. The number 1 most valuable thing in a raid or instance is CONTROL. The players who best know how to attribute to the control of a fight are the most valuable not the players with DPS epeens.

[Zerai]

DPS like Makata are the worst. Back in AQ, and you all go in and see Skeram. And during the fighting you realize you are taking an excessive amounts of arcane explosions. At that point you realize it's because the rogues are too busy trying to maximize dps. Hitting kick does not maximize dps. And that is what is wrong with dps meters. People are too busy trying to get on top rather than doing what is best for the raid.

I'd replace someone like Makata in a heartbeat. Nice part being rogues are so easy to come by.