[WoW] How to start leading raids? (ZA in particular)

[The Ancient]

I think the guy who explains strategies for the encounters makes a better "good cop". Just make sure you have a "bad cop" officer if you don't want that role.

[Mageling]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

I think the guy who explains strategies for the encounters makes a better "good cop". Just make sure you have a "bad cop" officer if you don't want that role.

Ironically I have exactly that in our OT.

[Thengel]

Originally Posted by TheYanger

The reason you don't see strat threads for trash is because almost all trash in the game is trivial to figure out how to deal with - I think there used to be a thread in SSC about it and even then it cmae up well after the boss stuff did on EJ.

Other than AQ40. /wrists

[Caocao]

I would seriously take the time to get your guild or "crew" some badge loot. It's pretty insane and will make za+ a lot easier for you guys. As far as strats and where to get them, I think it's all been said before. One thing though, not all guilds run the same strats. It's not in spite of doing it differently, just some guilds have been results doing it differently. Any way g'luck, sounds like a fun time.

[Kreugen]

On a related note, I can't play at all once I've started drinking. I can't stand trying to read the screen. The best I manage is a couple minutes of drunken chat and then its off to watch movies or something while I enjoy the awesome buzz.

During the week I enjoy sleep too much to stay up late playing games, and on weekends I don't play because I've been drinking. Its pretty much destroyed my attendance although I go through phases of halfass comebacks.

WLK 10-mans will hopefully work out for me.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Kreugen

On a related note, I can't play at all once I've started drinking. I can't stand trying to read the screen. The best I manage is a couple minutes of drunken chat and then its off to watch movies or something while I enjoy the awesome buzz.

During the week I enjoy sleep too much to stay up late playing games, and on weekends I don't play because I've been drinking. Its pretty much destroyed my attendance although I go through phases of halfass comebacks.

WLK 10-mans will hopefully work out for me.

That's almost the exact stage of life I am in right now. I love the games and want to play pretty badly, but something is just always coming up

ohh and my main point is I love booze too.

[Zehn - Vhex]

And make sure your raid officer doesn't have a lisp or you'll want to strangle fuckers by the 2nd hour.

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Mageling

I've recently rerolled onto a new server with some friends and his buddies from work and are working toward a serious raiding guild. Some of us have brought over characters from all the way through T6 guilds and some are rerolling. What we're lacking right now are raid leaders, or even people who know the trash pulls and boss fights like the back of their hands.

I suggest practicing in group dungeons. Scholo would be a good place to learn if you have a level 60. I don't know 60+ content because i never came back after tbc. Anyway it's all about learning to remember the pats, pulling from the right angle (does that matter in WoW? I know it does in Vanguard), running behind walls ("LoS pull" for casters), and strafing to change the direction that a mob runs in (ie, to get him to avoid other mobs). If you pull enough group dungeons, learning how to pull several of them, you'll pretty much get to a point where you can "guess" how pulls work in new dungeons, pulling pretty much flawlessly on your first run through. At that point you'll be ready.

Oh, I like BRD too.

[Wodin]

If you're looking for a step-by-step howto, Gurgthock did a video explaining how to do a ZA speedrun. You can find it here: EJZA Speed - FileFront.com

[Ellsworth]

Originally Posted by Sean

Protip: Stock up on Hard Liquor, you'll need it.

Speak calmly, refrain from getting excited or panicking (having a completely monotone voice is great for this, or so I've been told). Keep shit simple while you're at it.

If you're one of the people marking make hot keys for doing it - don't do that clicking mobs crap.

The simple part is important, and being monotone or close to it is important as well.

If a fight is complicated, like, lets say Kael, and no one knows a thing about it, you want to give very basic instructions to the raid, and very specific instructions to an individual.

like, if you have to FF the weapons, they you say to the raid, that in the start of P2, the ranged will FF thong, and the melee will FF skull, after thong is dead, all dps will FF the skull.

then you have a person who marks during the fight, perhaps even you, but now, the raid is just trying to kill skull, even though the target is changing, and someone has to know which weapon to kill first etc.

The goal is, as a group, instructions should be very simple, and when things get more complicated, hopefully we are addressing smaller groups of people.

don't give detailed healing assignments to the raid, make healing assignments only to healers.

After this, its very basic common sense stuff, and progress is made because people aren't stupid.

Progress is not made when people are.

[Antoine]

wtf thong

[brekk]

most trash is ZA isnt notable.

Fighting to Eagle is an event, birds occasionally spawn in front of you, pair fo warriors behind you, fight as quickly as possible to Tempest. When he dies spawns stop. Pally Tank helps a shit ton for this.

Shaman trolls drop invincibility totems. Trolls leading to Lynx MC (this can be DC'ed) Scouts on way to Dragonhawk need to be killed FAST or they spawn reinforcements.

ZA is no joke, you need 10 non fucktarded people. 1 person WILL wipe everyone in there. Bear and Eagle are easy. Lynx is a semi gear check, Dragonhawk skill check. Hexlord and ZJ are both difficult.

Early on focus on beating the first 20 minute timer getting to bear. When doing real timed runs you go Eagle -> Bear -> Dragonhawk -> Lynx. But short of tank taunts resisting bear should be a guarentee kill and you can get yourself atleast 1 timed chest for some extra loot each run. Once you can one shot eagle switch to eagle first. Its quite doable to get Eagle and Bear within timers.

From there just start working on wear to cut off time to get third and 4th. My guild had a focussed team of 10 of us who with 2.4 badge loot, and loot from 2/4 TK and 4/6 SSC have gotten multiple bears it is quite doable.

[darksensei]

For the eagle trash a pally helps a ton. If you have 3 healers it doesn't matter what spec they are, just have them pop righteous fury and consecrate the eagles.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by brekk

most trash is ZA isnt notable.

Fighting to Eagle is an event, birds occasionally spawn in front of you, pair fo warriors behind you, fight as quickly as possible to Tempest. When he dies spawns stop. Pally Tank helps a shit ton for this.

Shaman trolls drop invincibility totems. Trolls leading to Lynx MC (this can be DC'ed) Scouts on way to Dragonhawk need to be killed FAST or they spawn reinforcements.

ZA is no joke, you need 10 non fucktarded people. 1 person WILL wipe everyone in there. Bear and Eagle are easy. Lynx is a semi gear check, Dragonhawk skill check. Hexlord and ZJ are both difficult.

Early on focus on beating the first 20 minute timer getting to bear. When doing real timed runs you go Eagle -> Bear -> Dragonhawk -> Lynx. But short of tank taunts resisting bear should be a guarentee kill and you can get yourself atleast 1 timed chest for some extra loot each run. Once you can one shot eagle switch to eagle first. Its quite doable to get Eagle and Bear within timers.

From there just start working on wear to cut off time to get third and 4th. My guild had a focussed team of 10 of us who with 2.4 badge loot, and loot from 2/4 TK and 4/6 SSC have gotten multiple bears it is quite doable.

The first trash pack if you take the left fork towards Dragonhawk is quite difficult. A scout, two flamecasters, two guardians. You have to simultaneously kill the scout and get the flamecasters CCed, and the guardians will dispel it constantly.

I find Eagle to be harder than Lynx, mainly because of stupid randomness. Lynx has almost zero randomness involved. Eagle loves to sometimes wait 20 seconds after the storm cooldown is over to actually cast storm, and while you're all bunched up in preperation for the storm he nails you with 3+ static disruptions, the third one will kill half of you. Or he casts 5 static disruptions in a row on the tank and/or melee, which generally means everyone in melee dies.

[Erumaron]

Eagle is retardedly easy if you put ambient sounds into your headset instead of your ventrilo. You can hear the stroms coming well before it's time to collapse.