Talent builder for WotLK alpha - Page 35

Makata · 06-14-2008, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velk

It's interesting actually - subtlety got some fantastic pve buffs, combat got more pvp focused stuff, looks like they don't want a pve/pvp split by tree as much.

Which is retarded. That yarr links is a 404 for me so i can't check placement etc, just have the abilities themselves listed. All 3 combat abilities are completely useless for pve; very, very frustrating.

Also, why do I have to spec 50 deep into subtlety in order for backstab to be of any use? 45 energy cost is great; reduce it's potency and move it up near the top of the tree i.e. next to Camouflage: "Reduces energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 2/4/6/8/10." And if absolutely necessary boost it later in the tree. Why can't we bring back the days of combat daggers being #1 pve dps?

Kodylan · 06-14-2008, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ukerric

Blizzard Invitational which promises "a blizzard beta invitation" (which might... just might, mind you... be another game, like a SC2 beta). Not the beta, but the keys for when...

Ah ok, so same as last BlizzCon I guess. Figured you meant the beta started in 2 weeks.

Ukerric · 06-14-2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodylan

Ah ok, so same as last BlizzCon I guess. Figured you meant the beta started in 2 weeks.

Nope. Besides, the alpha is far from ready for opening to the hordes of beta players, believe me...

Cad · 06-14-2008, 10:51 AM

With roots being castable indoors, maybe feral dps will be worthwhile now in 5-mans. Also I am excited about what Lockjaw and Berserk will do for feral pvp. I shelved my druid and the game when I realized how bad feral was for pvp and I didn't want to re-gear resto.

Deathwing · 06-14-2008, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

You fucking what?

Did this thread just fall headlong into a pit of stupid?

Great retort, whichever statement it was you were retorting.

Itzena · 06-14-2008, 11:41 AM

Hex looks interesting for shaman.

Mist · 06-14-2008, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makata

Why can't we bring back the days of combat daggers being #1 pve dps?

Because it was a boring spec with low combo point generation and mindless, inflexible cycles?

Kaxmax · 06-14-2008, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mist

Because it was a boring spec with low combo point generation and mindless, inflexible cycles?

Seriously. I'd have to question whether someone asking for combat daggers to come back actually played combat daggers when it was arguably the best raiding build. It sucked, boring rotation and useless in PVP. Most of us just held out hope for more sword drops (fuck 1 Viskag in 23748 Onyxia's).

Zehn - Vhex · 06-14-2008, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cad

With roots being castable indoors, maybe feral dps will be worthwhile now in 5-mans. Also I am excited about what Lockjaw and Berserk will do for feral pvp. I shelved my druid and the game when I realized how bad feral was for pvp and I didn't want to re-gear resto.

With it being so trivial now to get epic gear while solo/duo I'd have thought you'd be jerking off into a tin cup given how much you fucking whined about being dependent on other people for gear.

Anyways...

Given the rogue leaks, feral dps druids are still going to be shit in comparison. On top of that it's simply a matter of opportunity cost. If you really want to dps, go boomkin as that tree is getting crazy shit plus you don't have to shift forms to root.

Goliath · 06-14-2008, 01:09 PM

I always did well with daggers in arena 2vs2's 9-12 months ago. We got to about 1750 with okay gear on several occasions. I did have high resil, but my partners always sucked balls, played in first person and didn't use w a s d.

Nehrak · 06-14-2008, 01:37 PM

So my question is: where are the new Ritual of RetardedEnslavePet spells?!?!?

(I'm joking, for those of you who can't tell. :P)

More seriously, what's the 411 on Metamorphosis' abilities? Immolation (the Aura) was apparently one, but what about the rest? I get the idea of how it works, but there hasn't been a peep about what it does, or if they use a retarded model or not.

Also, I'd rather they just axe Demonic Sacrifice at this point, and put something in its place that, oh I dunno, has to do with having a pet instead of completely destroying the point of the entire tree?

Makata · 06-14-2008, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mist

Because it was a boring spec with low combo point generation and mindless, inflexible cycles?

And? If it's the best pve dps, who cares?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

Seriously. I'd have to question whether someone asking for combat daggers to come back actually played combat daggers when it was arguably the best raiding build. It sucked, boring rotation and useless in PVP. Most of us just held out hope for more sword drops (fuck 1 Viskag in 23748 Onyxia's).

My rogue was daggers from 1 til 70 and loved it at 60. Backstab is THE definitive rogue ability .. it should at LEAST be on par with sinister.

James · 06-14-2008, 03:07 PM

Daggers should definitely play more of a role in the Rogue's life, or at least someone's so that we aren't flooded with useless piece of shit weapons off of every goddamn boss in the game, and from badges, and quest rewards. Whether it's combat or assassination, I don't think it matters much -- though I'd assume most rogues prefer the assassination style of play to the fire-and-forget combat style.

Lost Ranger · 06-14-2008, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makata

And? If it's the best pve dps, who cares?

Because it is a GAME you dumb son of a bitch. I know at this point in your life the lines have been blurred and you spend more time on Azeroth then Earth but at least attempt to remember that at its very core Warcraft is a cute little video game and is suppose to be fun. Why go back to a horrible boring spec when you get great dps NOW with a spec that doesn't make you want to cut yourself while raiding just to keep it interesting.

If you have a hardon for combat daggers then go spec combat daggers. Yeah, it won't make you the best rogue but I am pretty sure that ship sailed long ago.

Kaxmax · 06-14-2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makata

My rogue was daggers from 1 til 70 and loved it at 60. Backstab is THE definitive rogue ability .. it should at LEAST be on par with sinister.

No, it WAS the definitive dagger ability, until Mutilate was introduced. It was never the definitive rogue ability.

06-14-2008, 11:41 AM	#516 (permalink)
Itzena SOS-dan #76564674 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Near a big fucking castle, the UK Posts: 6,129 -32 Internets	Hex looks interesting for shaman. __________________

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread:

06-14-2008, 10:51 AM	#514 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 5,415	With roots being castable indoors, maybe feral dps will be worthwhile now in 5-mans. Also I am excited about what Lockjaw and Berserk will do for feral pvp. I shelved my druid and the game when I realized how bad feral was for pvp and I didn't want to re-gear resto.

06-14-2008, 01:37 PM	#521 (permalink)
Nehrak Crankier than the Kong Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: DigiPen Posts: 946	So my question is: where are the new Ritual of RetardedEnslavePet spells?!?!? (I'm joking, for those of you who can't tell. :P) More seriously, what's the 411 on Metamorphosis' abilities? Immolation (the Aura) was apparently one, but what about the rest? I get the idea of how it works, but there hasn't been a peep about what it does, or if they use a retarded model or not. Also, I'd rather they just axe Demonic Sacrifice at this point, and put something in its place that, oh I dunno, has to do with having a pet instead of completely destroying the point of the entire tree?