Talent builder for WotLK alpha

[Goofy]

I always felt mutilate/backstab build should outdamage swords in a pure damage environment cuz of the bitch it is to stay on the mob's back.

They seriously need to bring back dagger as a viable build.

And yeah even tho rogues are more fitting of a ninja image now than a sneaky bastard they should still bring back daggers. There are enough classes fighitng for swords as it is.

[Burkex]

Originally Posted by Goofy

I always felt mutilate/backstab build should outdamage swords in a pure damage environment cuz of the bitch it is to stay on the mob's back.

I agree 100% with that. Hell like 20% of their offensive abils requires a dagger in the MH

[Antoine]

it's really not that hard to be behind a mob unless your tank is michael j fox

[Grimble]

Originally Posted by BurnemWizfyre

LOL giving me some sort of negative rating because someone else was ignorant of the facts, good job buddy.

Arena Class Breakdown Statistics - World of Warcraft Realm History

Try looking around and you will see rogues are far from weak in pvp, and are currently fighting for the top spot with warlocks in pve when it comes to dps.

Hunters dead last on every one. Seriously we need something big. My first character was a dwarf hunter (since beta), but when warlocks are doing double dps with lesser gear and skill its a little sad.

[Antoine]

Originally Posted by Grimble

Hunters dead last on every one. Seriously we need something big. My first character was a dwarf hunter (since beta), but when warlocks are doing double dps with lesser gear and skill its a little sad.

coming from a hunter? LMFAO

[Deathwing]

Originally Posted by Grimble

Hunters dead last on every one. Seriously we need something big. My first character was a dwarf hunter (since beta), but when warlocks are doing double dps with lesser gear and skill its a little sad.

WTF, are you just auto attacking? Hunters > Warlocks in dps, which is how it should be. Warlocks bring much more utility than hunters. A hunter with legendary bow is outdoing warglaive rogues.

[Lejina Bloodbath]

when warlocks are doing double dps with lesser gear and skill its a little sad

I can't think of any level of progression where this is true. Warlock dps on raids start to really shine when they have a strong destro set and by the time it happens Hunter dps is even better due to how they scale.

[Mythas]

did i really just read some one saying hunter dps took skill? Hunter dps is very much on par with warlock dps lol auto / steady.

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Grimble

Hunters dead last on every one. Seriously we need something big. My first character was a dwarf hunter (since beta), but when warlocks are doing double dps with lesser gear and skill its a little sad.

I wish I could go afk and let my pet do all the work or just hit autoshoot and be done with it.

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[Goliath]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Or, you know, swashbucklers. Light armour, flashing swords, acrobatics, etc.

Than they should have been called swashbucklers.

[Grizzlebeard]

Originally Posted by Deathwing

Hunters > Warlocks in dps, which is how it should be. Warlocks bring much more utility than hunters.

You fucking what?

Did this thread just fall headlong into a pit of stupid?

[Velk]

Originally Posted by Kodylan

Shadow Dance looks absolutely nutty until you think about the fact that you won't have the energy resources to fully take advantage of it, for example.

They seriously need to bring back dagger as a viable build.

Both of you guys missed the pre-req for shadow dance, slaughter from the shadows, which reduces energy cost of backstab and ambush by 15.

So for shadow dance, assuming you start at full energy, it's vanish then ambush leaving 55 energy, 3 seconds later it's 85, ambush again, it's 40, 3 seconds later 70, ambush again 35, 3 seconds later 65, ambush again 20, and duration is out. That plus 100% chance to 70% snare/50% slow and block item use for 8 seconds from critical ambushes is pretty tasty.

I think the energy cost being 45 for backstab vs 40 for SS is going to make it extremely competitive for pve dps if you are that way inclined.

It's interesting actually - subtlety got some fantastic pve buffs, combat got more pvp focused stuff, looks like they don't want a pve/pvp split by tree as much.

[Cybsled]

A hunter QQing about a lock is pretty funny.

[Pren]

Troll rogues get fucked :v

[Ukerric]

Originally Posted by Kodylan

Beta in 2 weeks? Who lied to you? :P

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