AOC - General Discussion II

[spronk]

But would you consider counterstrike or TF2 a pvp game? I guess you can switch sides easily if you want to gank a person, but most FPS's have the concept of factions and I would consider them all PVP games.

FFA pvp is nice, I wish more MMOs would allow a server ruleset that allows FFA PVP. EQ1 had it, WoW and WAR would be awesome with FFA PVP/RVR servers.

[Inconsiderable]

Quake has nothing to do with MMOs, period. We are talking about games based around a persistent world.
Plus even then your comparison is kinda off: You can pick your team/clan in games like cs/tf/bf/etc and if you do not like someone.. well dont let him join. Those "factions" do not equal RvR in MMOs. It would be RvR if your clans success is based on everybody in your country and you would only be playing against foreign countries => you are not allowed to fight teams from the same country. Or something like that.

[Rythonn]

Not to mention even in FPS games you can still shoot the annoying fuck on your team.

[Kirby]

AOC is pretty shitty.

[Surlok TP]

Originally Posted by Inconsiderable

Quake has nothing to do with MMOs, period. We are talking about games based around a persistent world.
Plus even then your comparison is kinda off: You can pick your team/clan in games like cs/tf/bf/etc and if you do not like someone.. well dont let him join. Those "factions" do not equal RvR in MMOs. It would be RvR if your clans success is based on everybody in your country and you would only be playing against foreign countries => you are not allowed to fight teams from the same country. Or something like that.

I understand the appeal of the kill who you want thing, the care bear bs is annoying though. I want to fight other players instead of PVE for the sake of AI. It's far more enjoyable to fight opponents for reward that think rather than a scripted NPC.

I like EVE's system to though, but that's sort of beyond your typical kill anyone scenario, and for someone like me that doesn't get worked up about ass hats in games, it's pointless to play on those servers, since I won't actively kill someone for the sake of it, but I'll surely piss someone off eventually and be victimized by it.

It doesn't always have to be about politics, or drama or all of that shit. At this point in online gaming I see most people as either children being babies that can't get what they want, or people that grief for the sake of pissing someone off . That's fine I can understand and even laugh at it, but I don't need that to drive me into a pvp game, like I said I want to fight players because NPC's are monotonous dumbasses. Biggest issue I have with RVR style gmaing is that eventually people fall into a strategy and don't deviate because it works, and ultimately your playing dumb AI again,even though it's human. Sort of like how WoW BG's have become. Things change only when a patch alters something, you get a couple weeks of varied gameplay , then back to the same old.

So when I really need to work my brain in a challenging environment I'll play a tactical online shooter,since people are constantly changing up their game plans and you get fresh game play every time.

[Wilfan]

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

Things change only when a patch alters something, you get a couple weeks of varied gameplay , then back to the same old.

This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with RvR vs. PvP vs. PvE and all to do with WoW having a big "community" and you being bored with WoW in general. Even in EVE, all power gamers get to this point, except those that immerse themselves in the drama or roleplaying. You'd get there in AoC, probably sooner than later.

[Nerion]

I know I am going to take flak for this statement, but I think the era of EQ style PvE is waning. Creating interesting and, more importantly, replayable content is very time consuming and difficult. The only exception is a company(like Blizzard) who has the resources to completely cover every aspect of itemization, fresh ideas, implementation, and exploit/hack moderation. Every other company that attempts to base any part of their game on PvE Raiding is let down. These companies don't have the time to produce high quality PvE content that meets consumers expectations nor the capablity of keeping its progression legitimate.

Personally, my opinion is PvP is the way to go. Instead of needing mass amount of artists to create things all you need is someone with a great mind to balance it and come up with the proper motivations. Ontop of this, world pvp, seems to be the most desired aspect of MMOs now and days...

[EmiliaEQ]

Originally Posted by Nerion

I know I am going to take flak for this statement, but I think the era of EQ style PvE is waning

Guess who's to blame ? Pussies & Instances

When you had 4 5 guilds training/griefing/cockblocking each other for ToV or VT content was consumed
a lot slower then when everyone has his own instance and competition was a form of PvP.

[Nerion]

New notes:

PLAYFIELDS
The Catacombs in Tarantia Nobel district offers a host of new quests and encounters to challenge you in this group instance.


CLASSES

MAGE (General)
Dark Meditation will now properly expire.
Dark Meditation should now be removed from the spell list after untraining feats.
The description for the general feat Purge no longer refers to multiple targets.
The feat "Purge" has been renamed to "Spell - Purge".
Mirrored Iron's proc, Set's Shield, now hits using the correct damage type based on the Magic Rating buff running.
Mirrored Iron's proc, Set's Shield, has had its damage readjusted to the proper amount.
ROGUE (General)
Ambush ability will no longer increase the damage of the next strike.
Mountaineer feat's decrease to the duration of the Bruised Body debuff has been changed from 50%/100% to 45%/90% per respective rank.
Mountaineer feat's decrease to the duration of the Broken Bones debuff has been changed from 25%/50% to 30%/60% per respective rank.
Quick Dismount will not go on cooldown unless you are mounted.
Cheat the Reaper will now work 25%/50% of the time per respective feat point spent.
Cheat the Reaper can now only activate once every 5 minutes.
SOLDIER (General)
Brutal Enraging Wound and Enraging Wound will now always tick 3 times.
Brutal Enraging Wound now displays the proper damage over time value in the combo tool tip.
Spell damage will now properly trigger Cunning Deflection.
Assassin
Grim Corruption I's debuff will now stack with the other Grim Corruption debuffs.
Grim Corruption will now debuff Unholy and Poison Invulnerabilities by 5% at each rank.
Barbarian
All the Savage Rage combos now use the same animation as Savage Rage IV.
Impale's cooldown has been increased to 40 seconds.
Impale's bonus damage will now scale consistently with feat points invested.
Bear Shaman
Aspects - Blood Fever, Skulk, and Untamed Regeneration will no longer be removed after zoning.
Claws of Life will no longer be removed after zoning.
Spirits of the Debased proc buff now uses the proper icon in the buff GUI.
Spirit Totem: Profane will now always give Unholy Invulnerabilities with each rank of Spirits of the Debased trained.
Conqueror
Conquest's bonus to One-Handed weapon damage has been increased across all ranks.
Deep Wounds will now stack properly.
Deep Wounds' proc rate has been slightly increased.
Deep Wounds now displays a stack count in the target's debuff GUI.
Deep Wounds' DPS has been increased slightly.
Feint Attack I will no longer scale past Feint Attack II at any level.
Frostbite will now debuff magical damage in addition to melee damage.
Frostbite will now have an additional larger debuff component versus PvP targets on top of the normal debuff.
Frostbite's chance to apply off of a Hoarfrost proc has been doubled.
Hail of Furious Strikes II will no longer scale past Hail of Furious Strikes III at any level.
Lacerate will now proc off all non-unarmed melee attacks.
Lacerate's proc rate has been slightly increased.
Lacerate now displays a stack count in the target's debuff GUI.
Lacerate's DPS has been increased slightly.
Lingering Wrath's damage has been slightly reduced.
Lingering Wrath will now always tick 5 times.
Offhand Precision's bonus has been doubled at all ranks. It will now increase Offhand Chance by 2%/4%/6%/8%/10% per respective rank.
Rend Flesh's duration has been increased to 15 seconds. The cooldown has also been increased to 1 minute.
Rend Flesh's damage over time effect will now last 5 seconds.
Rend Flesh now displays a stack count in the target's debudff GUI.
Rend Flesh's damage over time effect will now scale better with more feat points invested.
Improved Rend's direct damage hit will now scale better with more feat points invested.
Two-Handed Master's bonus to Two-Handed weapon damage will now scale more consistently.
Renamed Auras & Battle Crys, and included level up info in descriptions.
Dark Templar
The name of the feat "Spell - Dooming Presence" has been changed to "Combo - Dooming Presence", since it actually does grant a combo and not a spell.
Pact of Malacodor should now be removed from the spellbook after untraining feats.
Reaper of Malacodor should now be removed from the spellbook after untraining feats.
Covenant of Arms will no longer be removed after zoning if you have the appropriate feat.
Demonologist
Chaotic Blast's damage component can now perform critical hits.
Demonic War will no longer be removed when zoning.
Guardian
Guard I will no longer scale past Guard II at any level.
Lowered the damage of Stagger I slightly.
Increased the damage of Stagger II slightly.
Herald of Xotli
Undying Glory of Xotli should no longer be removed when zoning.
Fixed a tool tip issue causing the wrong information to be displayed in the Burning Words feat.
Necromancer
Despoil the Soul will now show the proper duration when viewing the tool tip of the spell.
Despoil the Soul duration has been increased to 1 hour.
Spellweaving buff 'Death God' duration has been reduced to 20 seconds.
The cabal debuff will now use the proper icon in the target's debuff window.
Priest of Mitra
Armor of Faith will no longer be removed by Hand of Mitra.
Ranger
Incapacitating Stabs I will never scale past Incapacitating Stabs II at all levels.
Marked Target will now stack properly when 2 points are invested in the feat.
Piercing Stance, Shattering Stance, Sniper Stance, and Fire Stance will no longer be removed when zoning if the appropriate feat is trained.
Shattering Shots will now properly remove the directional shielding in the target GUI.
Immolation should work more consistently.
Tempest of Set
Lightning Cast will now properly put Lightning Strike on a 5 second cooldown.
A book in your offhand will no longer spin during attack animations.


COMBAT
The attack at the end of a charge can no longer be aborted.
Transitions between 2H-attacks for male & female characters should feel smoother.
The male UP-attack animation for staves should now work correctly.
Charge, Ursine Rush, Impale (Guardian), Stunning Charge, and Hellstep can no longer be used while Hidden.
Melee pets will now do splash damage.
Knockback should have a proper animation again.
Using an ability while charging (such as Cunning Deflection) should no longer lock up your movement.
You should no longer be able to damage or heal dead targets with spells or combos.
Fixed a cause of sliding during combat.
Initiating chat with an NPC while performing attacks will now stop your attack animation as intended.
You can no longer de-apprentice while in combat.


MASSIVE PVP
If the attacking guild takes over a battlekeep, any city guards that are left will now despawn.
Players can now only spawn a ballista while the city is vulnerable to attack.
Catapult progress bar no longer shows Trebuchet Blast.
Once the siege battle is finished, the siege weapons and siege camps will now be properly disposed of.
Ballista siege weapons will no longer cycle between all targets they have. They will use the last target instead, making them more useful in combat.
If you get teleported out of a battle you will now end up in the nearest NPC village of the connecting resource and building playfield, instead of ending up in the nearest city.
The siege camp in Burnheim which previously spawned at the wrong location will now spawn at the proper location.
It's now possible to get a replaced siege targeting module if you lost one. Simply target the weapon and press the use button to get a replacement.
Only the defending guild can talk to the ballista builder NPCs.
The siege camps will now give a message when they are used when the city isn't vulnerable.
Player city guards are now friendly to the guild that owns the city.
Siege Weapons should no longer fail to initialize properly.
Ballista NPCs should always spawn when the city becomes vulnerable.
Vendors should no longer spawn if the vulnerability window opens when the building has just finished being built.
Members of the attacking guild should no longer get teleported out of the instance when zoning into a siege that is already in progress.
Siege Weapons should no longer report that the target is out of range when it's not out of range. A different error message will appear if the siege weapon was unable to fire at the target for some reason.
Massive PvP city NPCs should only be usable by the owners of the city.
Defending players in a siege will no longer get points for character kills.
Time left in the siege battle before it ends will now display correctly in Score window.
If no guild applies for a battle queue before the 24h prior to the siege are over, that battle queue will be locked and no guild will be assigned the Attacker role.
Mammoth Sweep and Rhino Sweep damage increased and changed to Siege damage to properly damage buildings.

[Nerion]

GUILDS
The Barracks in Player Cities will now spawn the correct amount of guards after being upgraded.
Only the guild that owns the city will be able to use the NPCs inside their city.
Renamed some player city feats to be in line with the names of the buildings.
Barracks should now always show up in the guild feats window after being built.


ITEMS
Sunsteel Half-plate Vambraces now have the proper full-plate requirement to wear, and can no longer be worn by everybody.
Basic and Advanced Riding Training items will properly be comsumed on use.
Pyramid of the Ancients: The essence trap can now only be used within the pyramid.


MOUNTS
Rhino Charge should no longer go on cooldown unless successfully activated.


NPC/ MOBS
Due to popular demand, we've forced some of our female Derketo followers to burn their bras.
Tavern patrons in the Armsmans Tavern should no longer play strange animations.
Deli in the Pyramid of the Ancients now looks poor, and possibly insane.
Spiders will no longer jump back several feet when getting hit.
Travel NPCs should offer correct dialog options for travel.
New and updated loot has been placed in the Catacombs!
Acheronian Ruins - The Pict Bat Shrieker will now patrol with pets. If attacked, he will keep spawning pets so that he always has 3 pets with him. If he leaves combat, he and his pets will resume patrolling.
Acheronian Ruins - - All picts now have a specified class, and fitting weapon to this class. Added more mobs.
Conarch Village - Removed a loop from Rhiderch, and Ryarm's dialog.
Commander Zoria's costume and weapons have been revamped.
Kalanthes will no longer stand on chairs in his house.
Kyllikki's Crypt - The White Hand Priests will now use their healing and damage abilities.
Lacheish Plains - Screamer Wolf, Wailer Wolf, Baying Wolf, and Whimpering Wolf NPCs now have the proper death and attack animations.
Oasis of Zaara - Lions are no longer easy to defeat.
Pyramid of the Ancients - The Master Torturer will no longer spawn multiple times in a row.
Tarantia Noble District - Lady Verde's Bodyguard now looks the same both when seen on the outside and the inside of the villa.
Tarantia Sewers/Catacombs - Putharjath should now have more interresting abilities.
Treasury of the Ancients - Corrected a typo in Thuthmekri's dialog.
White Sands Isle - Asapon will now correctly spawn at all times outside the Atlantean Cave.
Khopshef Province: Hamadi should now patrol correctly at all times.
Khopshef Province: Hidden Bandits will now dual wield.
Khopshef Province: "Fine Potions" Merchant Nekhbet is now easier to interact with.
Some bosses were using combos they weren't supposed to. This has been fixed.
Traders in Conarch Village and elsewhere should always be available for use.


VOICE ACTING
Additional Voiceacting for the following quests:

Conarch Village:
Every Strong Arm
Clans at War
Conall's Valley:
An Impending Attack
Chaos in the Fortress
Mayhem in the Fortress
Decimate the Warhost
Old Tarantia:
The Wrong Kind of Message
The Woman Who Never Died
Wild Lands of Zelata:
Tearing the Veil
Immortal Acheron
Khemi:
The Raided Tomb
The Satiated Serpent
Khopshef Province:
A Plea for Prophecy
Sneaking Suspicions
Lord Atum-Kheket
Emerald Eyes
Eiglophian Mountains:
A Broken Bloodline
The Blood-Furred Best
Elina's Father
A Daughter's Revenge
White Hand Officers
Field of the Dead:
Death to the Vanir
The Ymirish Bearlock
Lieutenant Rhor
Lieutenant Haken, Karras & Vorr
Tabbot and the Scounts
The Wolf Dream
The Curse of the Werewolves
Den of Wolves
A Curious Encounter
Atzel's Approach:
The Giant Killings
Against the Giant Chief
Hard Evidence
Trail to the Dragon's Lair
The Stygian Diary
Kheshatta:
Lift the Curse of Constantius
Master of the Silver Peacock
Ibis, Master of Hidden Secrets
Master of Gargoyles
Thunder River:
A Steep Cliff
Heads of the Fallen
Turning Point
Absolute War


QUESTS
Atzel's Fortress: Kidnapping & Torture - Any leftover Flasks of Oily Pitch will be removed when you complete this quest.
Atzel's Approach: Revenge of the Ape God - This is now a group quest.
Atzel's Approach: Power Behind the Throne - Item "Orders with the Mark of Set" no longer tells the player to right click on it to get a quest.
Conarch Village: The Downtrodden - Croiss will no longer confuse a sword with an axe.
Khemi: The Guardian statue will no longer send you into a dialog loop.
Kheshatta: The Grim Grey God - You will now reset to the location where you zoned in if you log out in the instance.
Kheshatta: The Grim Grey God - Sarcophagi and pedestals will have a progress bar when they’re being used.
Kheshatta: Heady Kaphil Liquor - The flowers to be collected now have visual effects to help identify them.
Kheshatta: Hunting the Waste - Weapons for this quest will now have a visual effect.
Old Tarantia: The Aquilonian ******* - Fixed the dialogue so that the quest resolves if and only if the player has actually told Varinia about her husband's infidelity.
Pyramid of the Ancients - The teleport altar behind Lord Atum-Keket will now be visible at all times.
Pyramid of the Ancients - Solving the quest "Emerald Eyes" will actually give emerald eyes to the Guardian Statue.
Tarantia Sewers: The Orphans in the Hovel - Quest now updates for the entire party after talking to Galeria.
Thunder River: The Kitten - The cat now correctly patrols and eventually despawns.
Wild Lands: Old Secrets - The password has been corrected in the quest journal.
Kheshatta: Wanted , The Blasphemer - Ashka should now spawn correctly.
Khopshef Province: The Slave Rebellion - The cage key will now drop correctly.
Khopshef Province: Blessed Caves - Anata's Key should no longer remain in the player's quest inventory.
Khopshef Province: Trapped by Lions - We have added a few new, interesting encounters. In addition, Lisimba now moves a bit quicker. The quest is now level 21 to reflect the surrounding mobs.
Tortage Underhalls: Players will now be able to re-enter Raboz's Cell after finishing the quest Gone with the Wine, but before starting on the quest Ruins and Demise.


TRADESKILLS
If you go linkdead while in the middle of a random encounter at a resource node, you will now be able to log back in with time to prepare before your next random encounter.
Fixed a small typo that occured in an onscreen message when harvesting is interrupted.
Vendor bought resources have been reduced in price.
Added and adjusted drop rates of leather resources to animals residing in the Resource & Building playfields.
Droprate for all Wild Lands of Zelata animals have increased.
Droprate of Wild Dagga has been slightly increased in the world.


WORLD DESIGN
Several collision fixes in Massive PvP Battlekeep playfields.
Corrected a few areas where players could previously get stuck in the Tarantia Noble District.
Conalls Valley night time environment has been altered to brighten the playfield slightly.


GUI
Descriptions for Bandaging, Fast Healing, Mana Attractor, and Fast Recovery have been tweaked to be more consistent with actual function.
Added descriptions to a few of the more obscure potions in Hyboria.
The Combo Sequence Indicator should no longer get stuck when failing to complete a combo.
Hide my helmet/cloak options should work again.
Improved GUI Modifications to support the new PvP Consequence System.
Corrected the names of some chat channels to be more accurate. Added a few new chat channels.
The PVP XP bar can be toggled on and off. (Interface -> HUD)
Floating healing numbers over the character's head are back.
Fixed weird messages when teleporting in the massive PvP playfields.
The optional GUI component Combat Rose will now react to every keypress in a fight instead of just the first one.
Players can now use / to talk to different channels.
Items will no longer show +0.0 to any stats.
A cause of flickering icons has been corrected.
Fixed an issue with building model requirements failing when the models were stacked in your inventory.
Crafted items will now display the "created by" name. (NOTE : This is a work in progress)


GENERAL
Removed the Miss Chance from Shield of the Risen.
You will no longer be zoned after speaking to a Feat Fixer.
Several combat related animation issues - such as sheathing and unsheathing spears, holding swords - have been tweaked.
Added a male animation for the dance_sexy_f emote, and renamed it to dance_sexy.
Many typos corrected in quests and dialog.
Fixed a case when the game stopped running after restoring from minimized state.
Some assertion failure, memory leak, and crash causes were addressed.
Black Castle: Player zoning rotation from Khopshef Province has been fixed.
Voiceovers should no longer continue to play when you zone into another playfield.
Shield of the Risen no longer displays its particle effects on hidden players (unless they're on your team)
Typing /channelname followed by a space and no other text in chat will no longer crash the client.
You will not be charged for resetting your skills unless the skill value is >= 150
Zoning from Black Castle to Khopshef Province will now show the Epic Mode selection box.
Fixed an issue where single player playfields would not reset.
The'Out Of Disk Space' error should be fixed.
Falling very large distances will no longer make you end up standing in mid-air.
Tortage: Fixed lighting in the Thirsty Dog Inn.

[Hatorade]

Ok now for the real unoffcial ones? I was also really expecting more melee fixes..like I dunno make Charge actualy work before nerfing it into oblivion.

[Fury]

Some assertion failure, memory leak, and crash causes were addressed.

The'Out Of Disk Space' error should be fixed.

I'm pleased about these two. Fixing memory leaks and issues is A+ in my book.

A lot of changes for sure. Some seem alright, some crappy. Impale on a 40 second timer? Still no fix for Finishing Blow?(unless I missed it)

[Tyen]

Still no update on Thoth Amon's Stronghold. =/

[Inconsiderable]

Those patch notes have aids and do not make me want to login before my account expires next week.

[Kato Danzo]

If that's the best Funcom can do with almost a month's worth of time, consider this game dead and buried.