AOC - General Discussion II

[chackle]

Apparently the DT fixes are coming next patch, I have a lot of trepidation though as my main is an 80 DT and these guys don't seem to know which way is up at the moment.

[Schatze]

Oh really? Sunday night is the most popular play time? Have anything to back that up? Because, as long as we're arguing via anecdote, in every MMORPG I've played Sunday night has been absolutely dead. If you mean that is the time that AOC has instead peaked, well, I could point to a number of flaws with the conclusions you draw.

Doesn't change anything in regards to your data being fundamentally flawed. You ignore every single extraneous or confounding variable and just pray that the numbers fit your agenda. Congrats Twobit, there were three possible outcomes; remain stable, trend up, trend down. Is to the probability of each, who knows? You nor I certainly don't.

P.S. Which server is peaking at 300? I'll go test that assertion right now.

[Gilgamel]

Dev responded to a post on the forums and said that the raid bosses all spawn every Monday. It's not a one week lockout.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Schatze

Oh really? Sunday night is the most popular play time? Have anything to back that up?

Actually I do, but your mind is made up and you will discount any data I may show for some reason or another.

Maybe if you have something other than anecdotal evidence to support your position that it isn't then you can provide it. You don't though, otherwise you would have already presented it.

The data is out there, find it.

[Gecko]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Actually I do, but your mind is made up and you will discount any data I may show for some reason or another.

Maybe if you have something other than anecdotal evidence to support your position that it isn't then you can provide it. You don't though, otherwise you would have already presented it.

The data is out there, find it.

Right after we find Ms Twobit in Canada...

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Gecko

Right after we find Ms Twobit in Canada...

I suspect you will spend more time looking for that than you will for the actual information that is in dispute.

One obviously doesn't exist whereas the other does. Problem is, finding it would discredit you.

[Schatze]

So which server is peaking at 300.

[Gecko]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

I suspect you will spend more time looking for that than you will for the actual information that is in dispute.

One obviously doesn't exist whereas the other does. Problem is, finding it would discredit you.

I welcome information and good discussions.

You want neither. You are a hater. You have been slamming this game for months, which is fine. The problem is you are also a hypocrite and a liar, which is readily available to see based on your posts here.

On a different note, my alt went through Black Castle yesterday and it was quite fun. The traps and layout was better than anything else I've seen so far dungeon wise. I hope they take the time and revamp the other dungeons in an efficient but good manner.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Gecko

a liar

Please point out any one single lie. Just one.

[Gecko]

Feel free to break out your 'detailed' stats that you were taking. Then suddenly your friend who forgot to cancel was taking. I'll let other sift through your other rubbish posts and make their own minds up. Given your amount of posts and trolling here, it's hard to believe you even had time to play the game.

Also, the hypocrite label is pretty accurate. The fact you bought this game and continue to discuss it after everything you've been posting for the last few months really is amazing, but given your modus operandi, not surprising.

[Twobit Whore]

So that means you take back the liar blurb? I mean that's a pretty bold statement to just bandy about without having any reason to do so.

You may not like what I have to say but that doesn't make it any less factual. Now get back to sucking the Funcock.

[Draegan]

You keep talking about numbers, and stats and servers being empty yet you havn't given a single source, link or answered his questions about what server you're talking about. He's got a point.

I havn't seen a slow down in population on Tyranny at all.

And is sunday really the busiest day for MMOs? Where did you get that from. I honestly don't know what the answer is and I'm curious to see a study on that.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Draegan

And is sunday really the busiest day for MMOs? Where did you get that from. I honestly don't know what the answer is and I'm curious to see a study on that.

Here is just one study done for a university with the cooperation of CCP.

You could also look at something as simple as Xfire data for every MMO and see that the peaks almost always fall on a Sunday.

I mean, honestly. What day do people actually think is the most active? Random tuesdays? Every other thursday? Of course it's going to be the weekends and for the average working adult or student Sundays are the most stay-at-home day of the week. I really thought this was common sense... and for some silly reason I thought the people here would have a little of that. And yes, there is data that shows that exact thing to hold true.

I'd be more than happy to hear reasons why some other day of the week would be the most active. I'd love to see evidence that suggests otherwise. So far I have seen zero.

[Schatze]

edited out extraneous stuff, I'll just argue the stats. Less wiggle room, because I can definitively tell you, you are wrong. You are doing things with this paper that are not meant to be done. It was an analysis of play habits, to determine if play habits in real life are predictable and normal or highly variable. That's *all*. It had nothing to do with "who is playing when", "but does the pattern of play deviate significantly when looked at through arbitrary metrics (no, it doesn't, the T distribution is EXTREMELY peaked and narrow, and the standard devation . Except for the weekend. They show this by doing a Fourier transform and isolating the harmonic of the sine that corresponds to the weekend and it provides a "sub peak" to the peak of the sine wave.

The peak is on Sunday, but we don't know what TIME on Sunday and in fact could be anywhere because it's a sine graph with amplitude = number of players playing. However, on Sunday, there is also the most abrupt and sharpest decline in the amplitude of the sin wave. What does that mean? Well just precisely what I said. Sunday has the highest peak but also the sharpest drop. To make inferences from that is not exactly a great idea. It's a sinusoidal frequency plot and the measurements taken do not take into account time zone used by researcher (GMT I assume, but it does not say). . There is just not enough resolution or data analysis to make the claims about peak times as you have; to do so you'd need to know the absolute time reference (which is probably GMT, which is standard, but may not be). Let's make a tenuous assertion: the graph was mapped using an absolute temporal frame of GMT. Alright, lads, shift the graph to the left. What's this? The peak on Sunday appears half way through the day on the graph, and drops towards the evening at an abrupt rate? Yegads! Okay, Twobit, I will willingly accept that the peak falls on Sunday (with some reservations). However, the data shows it falls around NOON on Sunday in EST or around 9AM PST. This would make sense. The sharp drop off would also make sense. Family meal, homework, work-work, recovery from the weekend, going to bed earlier, etc.

OK, I'll give you my tentative conclusions; you've managed to be about as deceptive as possible or you can't actually read the graphs in the analysis and understand what they really mean. I'll give you #2, because most people don't have a grounding in stats, nor Fourier analysis, nor amplitude graphs. But somehow you've managed to get your data from one of the lowest population play times without using something obvious like 4AM EST.

Now, what server? Because you still haven't shown proof of anything. Your idea of evidence is extremely misguided and your reluctance to give means to confirm or deny your claims is worrying.

[Twobit Whore]

LOL okay man. Good luck spinning it.

I'm sorry you were wrong and I was right. Wait, no I'm not. Just man up and admit it. It's not that hard. Hell, I was able to admit Funcom got performance from ass to almost acceptable in the last 3 days of beta. Surely you can do the same.