AOC - General Discussion II

[TwiNCannoN]

Originally Posted by Golbez

Hes still somewhat challenging. Hes only easy because most guilds that kill him, still kite him around the pillar

He might've been broken for us, he attacked once every 5 seconds or so, wasn't doing any axe throws OR reaper/curses. I don't even think the MT needed healing heh

anyone have any tips for vistrix regarding what to do when a tank gets fully debuffed stacked and starts taking way too much damage?

[Jehryn]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Back of the envelope?

They announced 500k sales on June 2nd. They announced 700k on June 30th.

That's 700k - 500k = 200k in a month.

I'm sure that basic math is pretty difficult for you but for us who completed 3rd grade it's no problem.

Sigh I swear you want this place to be the AoC forums. They sold 700k copies. They don't have 700k active subs. If you honestly think the player population is higher now than it was at launch despite no new servers then it doesn't matter what I say. Enjoy breaking the 1 million mark!

To bad you didn't continu after 3rd grade...
I do salute you for trying to turn +200.000 players in a "declining population". The absolute and definite proof of one poll of 1.000 players is of course very compelling evidence for 3rd graders i suppose. And off course there are 500k players who just throw 50$ at FC with no intention what so ever to even continu playing (i mean, they're all already lvl 80 full epix or whatever).....

[Gilgamel]

Let him not tank for a while?

[machineman]

Originally Posted by Jehryn

To bad you didn't continu after 3rd grade...
I do salute you for trying to turn +200.000 players in a "declining population". The absolute and definite proof of one poll of 1.000 players is of course very compelling evidence for 3rd graders i suppose. And off course there are 500k players who just throw 50$ at FC with no intention what so ever to even continu playing (i mean, they're all already lvl 80 full epix or whatever).....

It's called cutting your losses. Why pay for another month of a game that sucks, when you've already lost $50?

No question the population is on the decline. Combined with the EXTREME incompetence of Funcom, the pigheadedness of Godager and core gameplay system flaws, it's damn close to a Vanguard-level failure.

Obviously Vanguard is still around, and AoC will continue to be around. But make no mistake - fewer than 200k subs put it it a completely different light as far as the publisher and investors go, and doesn't give it the kind of future that they wanted. It's just an also-ran at this point.

[Crizack]

did u get your Banes?

[Hashi]

Originally Posted by Jehryn

To bad you didn't continu after 3rd grade...
I do salute you for trying to turn +200.000 players in a "declining population". The absolute and definite proof of one poll of 1.000 players is of course very compelling evidence for 3rd graders i suppose. And off course there are 500k players who just throw 50$ at FC with no intention what so ever to even continu playing (i mean, they're all already lvl 80 full epix or whatever).....

Ow, stop that. Stop talking.

P.S. There's a fucking 'e' at the end of 'continue'

[spronk]

Most console games nowadays cost more than $50 and last less than 20 hours, so paying $50 for a game that gives you at least 100 hours of fun (1-50) is pretty decent imo. Especially if for $15 in six months, you can get another 40-50 hours of fun.

One big diff between now and 2004 when WoW launched is that if you don't like your MMO, there are a lot more options. I remember when my WoW server would constantly be crashing my friends and I would play DOTA, but we kept our wow sub still on because we didn't want to play EQ2 and there wasn't much else, since I had played every ps2/xbox game I wanted to. Yesterday I finished HL2 episode 1 and started episode 2, great shit. Gonna play portal tonite and bioshock or mass effect this weekend. Got at least a dozen xbox360/wii/ps3 games lined up for summertime, all the games I never got to play while playing WoW, and I can buy em for 50% off usually too since they are a few months old.

Those are much, much more fun than grinding another level in villas or aztel in AoC, especially since I know they will eventually implement quests to flesh out 50-80 - why pay now $15 when in a few months I can re-activate and not really miss out on anything?

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by spronk

Most console games nowadays cost more than $50 and last less than 20 hours, so paying $50 for a game that gives you at least 100 hours of fun (1-50) is pretty decent imo. Especially if for $15 in six months, you can get another 40-50 hours of fun.

One big diff between now and 2004 when WoW launched is that if you don't like your MMO, there are a lot more options. I remember when my WoW server would constantly be crashing my friends and I would play DOTA, but we kept our wow sub still on because we didn't want to play EQ2 and there wasn't much else, since I had played every ps2/xbox game I wanted to. Yesterday I finished HL2 episode 1 and started episode 2, great shit. Gonna play portal tonite and bioshock or mass effect this weekend. Got at least a dozen xbox360/wii/ps3 games lined up for summertime, all the games I never got to play while playing WoW, and I can buy em for 50% off usually too since they are a few months old.

Those are much, much more fun than grinding another level in villas or aztel in AoC, especially since I know they will eventually implement quests to flesh out 50-80 - why pay now $15 when in a few months I can re-activate and not really miss out on anything?

You can't compare AoC with Portal. You can't compare anything in like the past 5years to Portal. Shit is so damn awesome. Just insanely short, but awesome. Like Rez awesome.

But yeah, I've pretty much stopped playing AoC, even though I have a month still going, but then again I'm having my usual trouble finding any non mmo interesting. I tried Mass Effect, but it didn't hook me right away, in fact I found the combat to be shitty as hell and reminded me of Tabula Rasa, which is not a good thing. Probably has to do with the fact that even though I chose the "sniper" class, I can't fucking put points in sniping until higher levels. That's like choosing sorcerer and not being able to cast spells until level 10.

I'm considering buying a Wii and super smash brawl since it finally released over here, and would probably get the zelda and metroid while I'm at it. I just need to find a place where they sell Wiis. I still can't believe I can walk in a big shop and they don't have any wiis for sale because they don't have any in stock anymore. It seems I'd have an easier time finding cocaine asking random people on the streets.

Still keeping a doubtful eye on AoC. Seems they're gonna skip the whole week in terms of patches, so next new interesting news will pop in a week from now.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Dashal

They're probably still doing well. Game hasnt fallen apart for me yet at 45, so I'd guess a lot of people are still plugging along.

Maybe not 700k but I doubt it's halved either.

If the cancel poll here is any indication of the overall cancel rate, its more than 50%.

[DrRetarded]

As much as I'm enjoying AoC at the moment, taken in relatively small doses during a handful of evenings a week, I keep feeling the urge to load up my copy of The Witcher, and finish the game for once. I think I stopped playing in Act II, due to not having enough time, but the game was simply badass. So much in AoC reminds me of The Witcher. Does anyone else feel the same?

[Ailu]

Why are so many talking about a declining population as a fact? I cancelled and I'm sure others did too. Considering the state of the game at higher levels it's not exactly surprising to see the more hardcore players who have little patience at max level these days, quit.

But I finished third grade and also came to the conclusion that going from 500k to 700k in a month would suggest the opposite of decline. Maybe I'm missing something though.

Building a city with a guild with less than ten members sucked btw.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Ailu

But I finished third grade and also came to the conclusion that going from 500k to 700k in a month would suggest the opposite of decline. Maybe I'm missing something though.

If you lose more than you gain, it's a decline. That's what seems to be happening.

700k total sales != subscriptions.

[Vehn]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

If you lose more than you gain, it's a decline. That's what seems to be happening.

700k total sales != subscriptions.

well according to http://www.funcom.com/funcom/fronten...m%20Update.pdf

So far the product has sold through over 700.000 copies (i.e. customers that have bought a game client and entered their game client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing database).

so that means they have had 700,000 subscriptions. It doesn't say how many of those have cancelled, so we can all assume that the real number of subscriptions they have now is less than 700,000

[Ailu]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

If you lose more than you gain, it's a decline. That's what seems to be happening.

700k total sales != subscriptions.

I don't see much that suggests they are losing more people than they gain, other than the poll on this forum, but whatever. If that is what's happening they surely deserve it for the unfinished game they released.

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by Ailu

I don't see much that suggests they are losing more people than they gain, other than the poll on this forum, but whatever. If that is what's happening they surely deserve it for the unfinished game they released.

Is it really any more unfinished than any other MMOG to hit the market? Why would AOC suddenly he held to a higher standard than every other MMOG ever released?