Aion - The Tower of Eternity

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Zerai

The biggest fault with Aion I can see is the 1-10 game sucks. It's total shit.

As a melee, getting to 10 was night and day. Up to 10, you have like 3 skills you hit..then sit and wait for refresh..and barely kill shit before dying.

Then 10 you actually get skills and flesh out your class. And can actually kill mobs in a row without having to bandage (least for a bit...).

Having an enjoyable 1-10 game is extremely important and it's just poor form that they sucked so bad at it.

Not sure what "melee" you're playing, but you're doing it wrong. Warriors can chain 3-4mobs without bandaging, but they're pretty passive. Scouts have to bandage more often, but kill faster too, and the positionning attack is relatively fun, unless you suck. You go back and do 1-10 in wow and tell me about it, it's just as gay on most classes. Charge, heroic strike, rend, autoattack. Sinister Strikex3-4 > Eviscerate. I'm not even gonna go into hybrids which are even worse.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by Believe

Buy a subscription to FilePlanet, only like $7.

Or buy a $5 pre-order in bestbuy.

And Draegan, I dunno. I in particular hate games where you're half a class to start. But Aion seemed particularly boring.

I'm going to play in release. I enjoy the game. But I think they did an absolutely atrocious job with 1-10. (1-9 really)

I think it comes down mostly to how much low level mobs kick the shit out of you as a melee. Not only do you have very little skills to use, but you don't do very well against even cons. So you watch yourself get beaten up with no buttons to press. For a super awesome Daeva that has just forgotten their memory, why am I getting my ass handed to me by bugs in the newbie zone?

edit: I also just duo with a cleric. But when she logged off and I was playing on my own, I realized how shitty you are. I did notice in 1.5 it was much better than 1.0 (1.0 I ran out of bandages). There is no right or wrong thing to do..since there isn't anything to do except use your 1 melee chain + debuff (I played a warrior).

[intelnavi]

Originally Posted by Pyros

Not sure what "melee" you're playing, but you're doing it wrong. Warriors can chain 3-4mobs without bandaging, but they're pretty passive. Scouts have to bandage more often, but kill faster too, and the positionning attack is relatively fun, unless you suck. You go back and do 1-10 in wow and tell me about it, it's just as gay on most classes. Charge, heroic strike, rend, autoattack. Sinister Strikex3-4 > Eviscerate. I'm not even gonna go into hybrids which are even worse.

Pretty much this. As a scout if I strafe I can almost guarantee a counterattack (attack plus stun) in every fight without using the evasion just from the buffs the movement mechanics give you. Also running forward for your initial "ambush" for a dmg bonus or running backwards to tank give a bit of diversity in mechanics that I appreciate. I hope the implications in pvp are meaningful since most of the time you want to move during pvp

If you just stand there and wait for your cooldown to come up then I don't know what to tell you. I could still kill 2-3 mobs without resting on my scout or warrior before I knew the intricacies of such movement. It doesn't help much with the 1-10 grind, but at least its something. At lvl 9 of course everything changes drastically.

[Believe]

Wait, what? Moving gives you bonuses like that? Had no fucking idea. Good to know though.

[dreaderus]

ok i could go grab a $5 preorder from bestbuy.

i wonder if its in canadian stores.

question so the flying part you aren't always winged etc are u? that part didnt interest me really lol.

just enjoy leveling so doing it in a brand new enviornment would be ok.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by Believe

Wait, what? Moving gives you bonuses like that? Had no fucking idea. Good to know though.

Yeah it is how you don't suck as melee in early levels.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by dreaderus

ok i could go grab a $5 preorder from bestbuy.

i wonder if its in canadian stores.

question so the flying part you aren't always winged etc are u? that part didnt interest me really lol.

just enjoy leveling so doing it in a brand new enviornment would be ok.

It's not in canadian bestbuys. However, I picked it up from ebgames. American friend grabbed it in bestbuy there though.

The moving in combat is a neat feature, but using it is buggy..and annoying in pve. PVP is where it'll come into it's own. In PVE, running around as a tank to get the bonuses (like backing up when casting a nuke for reduced damage, moving forward on high agro moves) makes your entire group hate you (except the cleric of course). I found sometimes you move and the arrows don't come up, so I assume the buff isn't applied. So you have to really exaggerate your movement, which really makes pve a pain. Circle strafing works, but evasion isn't exactly the best for a tank (consistent lower damage of backwards > spikes of strafing)

[Daezuel]

You can get keys from Fileplanet now without a subscription.

[Mirran]

How the hell do you move with your mouse in this game? I can't get it set up worth a shit. I want to be able to turn 180 quickly and can't figure out how to do it. I also like hold a movement key down and pan the scenery without my fricking character running toward the way I'm looking. What am I missing?

[NativityInBlack]

Originally Posted by Daezuel

You can get keys from Fileplanet now without a subscription.

Yea jump in folks, free:

Aion Open Beta Keys Available - No Cost! | Ten Ton Hammer



(Restricted by region/IP tho)

[edit]

Originally Posted by Mirran

How the hell do you move with your mouse in this game? I can't get it set up worth a shit. I want to be able to turn 180 quickly and can't figure out how to do it. I also like hold a movement key down and pan the scenery without my fricking character running toward the way I'm looking. What am I missing?

Man usually I play with the right mouse button pressed + Wasd when needed to move (since EQ even), with a decent mouse sensitivity 180 loops are really fast and you can always look around.

[rites]

How are things looking right now for tanks? Will be have a large amount of them? Trying to decide if they will be needed or not. Anyone in game that I could send whispers to? I have some questions.

[Dink]

Originally Posted by Mirran

How the hell do you move with your mouse in this game? I can't get it set up worth a shit. I want to be able to turn 180 quickly and can't figure out how to do it. I also like hold a movement key down and pan the scenery without my fricking character running toward the way I'm looking. What am I missing?

disable "Left-click to rotate camera"

[Believe]

Originally Posted by rites

How are things looking right now for tanks? Will be have a large amount of them? Trying to decide if they will be needed or not. Anyone in game that I could send whispers to? I have some questions.

I don't suspect there will be a surplus of tanks or healers, especially since the game becomes very PVP focused. They're just not very desirable roles in a PVP setting.

I'm only low level, but I'm still questioning their PVP value. Sure they may be hard to kill with a dedicated healer, but they're also sure as hell not dealing out very meaningful damage it seems. My level 2 scout crits harder than my level 14 Templar. If that's a sign of how things will continue to be at higher levels, then I don't expect my Templar to be very useful in high end PVP settings.

[NativityInBlack]

Originally Posted by rites

How are things looking right now for tanks? Will be have a large amount of them? Trying to decide if they will be needed or not. Anyone in game that I could send whispers to? I have some questions.

They are really needed for both pvp and pve, I saw at least twice more gladiators than templars, but thats from freaking betas, think a korean fella that was posting on mmorpg.com awhile ago also said the same about the live game there (much more glads than templars). If we will have a large amount is hard to say but I saw quite a few sins and glads more than anything else so far.

I will personally play as a Templar planning on hitting the instances anyway.

Pyros (thanks btw) wrote a pretty spot on article for his guild and shared with us awhile ago, here what he said about the tanks:

Templar

PvE=A

A good PvE class, solid leveling, a bit slow in the first 25levels but gets better as you level up, especially when you start getting physical crit items and ends up at good killing speed with almost no downtime.

Very powerful class for group pve, they're the best tank by far, while Gladiators can tank about everything too, they have many tools that lets them not get killed if shit is going wrong(like your healers dieing to AEs, silenced or having adds on them). The pull is also very good for Ranged mobs, and their Provoke can be used on CCed mobs so they come directly for the Templar when the CC breaks instead of raping the CCer.

PvP=C

For solo PvP, they lack tools to guarantee a kill if the opponent starts running, so they're not very good at ganking. Stunning Strike(the pull) gets resisted an awful lot which is why they're not good at that. They are however very powerful in a 1vs1 where your opponent won't run, in fact they're probably one of the best if not the best 1vs1 class.

For group pvp they lack utility, while tanks in WAR had Guard, Templars only have a Guard type ability on a 2mins cooldown with 30secs duration and a short range, the pull suffer the same issues as during solo pvp(resisted a lot) and the DPS is nothing to be crazy about. You'll basically be ignored until the end of the fight, but sadly you won't be able to do much during that time either, besides being a minor annoyance to healers and such.

Edit: Probably a better class in 1.5 for group pvp, Stunning Strike resist seems pretty low now, and they gain a stigma that adds a ranged stun. Probably bumped to a "B"

Gladiator

PvE=B

Gladiators are solid levelers, nothing crazy in terms of speed, but it's steady and they will hardly die to adds and such since they're a tank class yet also have good AE damage.

In groups, they can act as a tank, and even though they're not as good as Templars in the role, they're not bad at all when properly geared(parry set with a polearm or good DW weapons). When not tanking they're average DPS, doing good steady damage, as well as the best AEing in the game, which as far as I know isn't terribly useful, and can break CCs. The fact they can offtank adds is a big plus for group pve. Their DW DPS is also higher than polearm DPS assuming you use 2 good weapons, and it puts Glads in the top3 DPS classes.

Edit: DW dmg was nerfed indirectly, but 2h DPS was buffed, so their DPS potential should be unchanged, but DW DPS shouldn't be much higher if it is at all. Still a "B"

PvP=A

While soloing, gladiator's big weakness is getting kited. Besides templar, no class is able to beat a glad in melee range, so you mostly have to look for the ranged DPS. They have a few tools to help them not getting kited, but it's not that great, however if they can reach their targets, it's not uncommon to be able to one round the opponent(air shackle to ground attack combo is devastating).

Group PvP is where they shine, they have AEs to put pressure on multiple targets, a non dispellable root(the only in the game afaik), very powerful burst DPS potential and a random chance to knockdown and stun people that can't be resisted(linked to melee attacks). They also have one advantage over other melees, polearms have a bigger range so they don't suffer as much from fighting people while flying. Adding all these offensive abilities with their plate armor and defensive abilities make them a good choice for group pvp.

Source: http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...ml#post1495041

I'm at work but feel free to PM/post I will reply as I can.

[schwein]

cool got in to open beta, thanks for the link. going to give gladiator. the enchanter looks like it might be a fun support class. last time i said that i made an archmage in warhammer =/