Blizzard not evaluating AoC as a threat?

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Vehn

too bad those figures only include unique accounts made with those preorders. So multiple pre orders for 1 account only means 1 pre order

I didn't see it say that anywhere. Just that 'retail figures' shows they are shipping 700k boxes to stores. The CE sold out at 110k, which is pretty decent indeed.

[Horse]

Don't you ever get that sneaking suspicion - call it meta-self, paranoia or conscience - that those that actually know these things look at some of these posts and laugh at people who are really just guessing?

Clearly there are overlapping audiences. Sure, people will quit playing wow to play something else all the time, or go back and forth between playing wow and playing a bunch of shorter, less commitment necessary games.

The real question is what is going to be the next game that someone sits down with and says "ok, i'm only playing this from now on." SC2 isn't it. Diablo3 might be. There are other MMOs that might be.

Will wow carve a spot where someone says they'll play WoW AND SC2 AND whatever's new on xbox AND something else? They're getting close, I know plenty of people who log on, do the heroic daily - arena/honor a little and call it. What they'd be looking forward to is a 10 man for the weekends or when they get the rare stretch of time on a weekday, new arenas/bgs, and new 5 mans for the chance it becomes the daily.

In my circle that's 8 out of 10 of the players. Adding up all of the circles of circles, it could be a simple majority but of course the sample is tiny.


One things for sure, it doesn't take a grand wizard to see in less than an hour of pvp that rogues, warlocks, druids and warriors are bonkers in the lower brackets and casting is just screwed unless you have instants or the ability to manhandle that locks and druids do.

Leave that in and anyone not so lucky enough to be graced with those teammates or playing them themselves have no problem ditching wow.


What conan has going for it right now is that you and 2 friends can play 100% of it and you've got a few weeks until you figure out exactly what game you're playing. As soon as you realize one guy rolled a dud class, he's out. As soon as you realize you need 5 people all the time to do something, etc. You start seeing the limits more than the possibilities and the game dies.

[Lefazz]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

Oh really? So where did all the WoW players come from on release day then? I'm betting a good chunk came from Warcraft 3.

So? It's an entirely different genre. There is no logic in not playing AoC because Starcraft 2 info came out.

[Lenardo]

i haven't followed aoc much but how many servers do they have and did the devs state anywhere what their goal per server was?

i know WoW does ~10k per server(total accounts). (based on 20% of your user base being online at any one time) - 200+ us servers = 2 million+ accounts

[kaid]

Eventually what will kill wow is blizzard. They are just so damn slow at adding content most of my guild is pretty much saying this is the last wow expansion for us if they can't do any better than 2 years between expansions. I am hoping either WAR or conan turns out to be fun for me.

[Kodylan]

Originally Posted by kaid

Eventually what will kill wow is blizzard. They are just so damn slow at adding content most of my guild is pretty much saying this is the last wow expansion for us if they can't do any better than 2 years between expansions. I am hoping either WAR or conan turns out to be fun for me.

Yep. Blizzard isn't the only good game developer out there. Eventually there will be viable competition for them, and then they'll either have to improve their glacial content production rate, or figure something else out entirely.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Horse

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....

You have some vendetta against AoC or what? Dont worry, AoC wont even dent WoWs numbers, but I wish it would for everyones sake. Maybe then blizz would get off their asses and start adding some shit to the game which is worthwhile. Sort of putting the fire under their asses if you know what I mean.

Im my circle of friends only one is left playing WoW the rest dropped it a while back and not even looking behind. Its a 4 yr old game with nothing "new" added in that time period. Even the expansion was only 10 levels with the same old and now with a new grind, dailies And what will Wrath be? Same shit. only 10 more levels. Yeah Krugen, it will be EXACTLY the same. Same old grinds, same old BGs wrapped up in a new "skin".

Im sorry bit Blizz ruined it. They had this cool thing rocking, and instead of adding new shit and expanding on it, the snail pace only ruined it. Drove it to the ground. Made 50 days of fun followed by 300 days of tedium and replay.

[Horse]

No, the "putting fire under asses" doesn't apply when you clone a game. In the end you end up with a game that gets compared to and can never surpass the originals. You're establishing yourself as the beggar's version, and people who quit the original taste the shit within the candy coating after the first bite.

Stating a game is shitty is hardly a vendetta, my point remains that if you are bored with wow why the fuck would you not be bored of a wow clone? Because you love to level up characters? Well that's hardly a basis for the finer points of each. "Yeah, I can't be bothered with yet another grind in _________ but the grind in __________ is LOR LOR PFFF PFFFF."

AOC does some things nicely, but the largest problem faced with any media - mmo or offline - is that it has to have all of the fixes in place that other games have innovated on, or else it is a waste of time. Yes, lets go back to 4 years ago before the concept they're using was refined...

This is why certain things like the shoddy auction system, overall lack of customization and configuration to the UI elements, and the curse of the YELLOW AND GRAY EXCLAMATION MARKS AND QUESTION MARKS can't just slide... and why people still act prickish about wow's LFG system when it is considered a solved issue.

I'm still playing it because, well, because I want to see what the PVP system is and it take X levels of grinding to actually get there. I suppose it is no different than starting WoW today because of how cool arenas are only to have to level to 70 when you have no interest in it. Likewise I personally have no interest in the fact that some faggy old man wants croc skins, as what does that have to do with me in the long term?

One day there will be a game where you become a badass by, get this, being a bad ass and we can get around all of this swords-to-shortbusses nonsense.


So yea, more accurately the vendetta would be against those jumping on the next new shiny like a jap pre-teen girl in shibuya claiming that everything is tot-L-ee different this time around!!~la

I'm sure then they go log on their LOTRO birdmaster and roleplay while dualboxing their FURY... uhhh... red/green guy

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Lefazz

Starcraft 2 isn't an MMO. I bet a good chunk of WoW subscribers couldn't care less about SC2.

You do realize what you just said doesn't make sense, right?

[Deris]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

You have some vendetta against AoC or what?

Yeah beta testing it made me want to throw up in my mouth.

Admittedly it was early beta, but jesus christ hi2u unfocused clusterfuck.

I'll buy it, and hope it doesn't suck. Maybe I can play casually.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Horse

So yea, more accurately the vendetta would be against those jumping on the next new shiny like a jap pre-teen girl in shibuya claiming that everything is tot-L-ee different this time around!!~la

At least among my friends, a lot of us are jumping to this wow-clone that has all the things we came to wow for... mainly guild pvp. Do you remember all the false promises that Blizzard gave about huge pvp battles with siege equipment... We wont even go into the mention of "meaningful" pvp. After 4 years, WoW's pvp is still probably the most shallow pvp I have ever done; hell its worse than EQ's shit-box. Arenas are the dumbest thing ever thought of and bg's, while fun for awhile, are outdated.

WoW's pve game, while a rehash of EQs, is still enjoyable if you are into that sort of thing. If you are leaving WoW for pve reasons I'm not sure AoC will satisfy you... although from what I have read/heard AoC's pve end-game content is quite different than any other game; mainly because healing is not at all similar to traditional MMOs.

To say that AoC's pvp is anything similar to WoW's is a fucking joke.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

To say that AoC's pvp is anything similar to WoW's is a fucking joke.

Yeah, CtF is nothing like WSG... at all.

Having to do CtF X number of times to even be able to do other PvP is nothing like gearing up in BGs to Arena... at all.

While guild cities are a different take, 48v48 with people attacking and defending a base is nothing like AV... at all.

The only difference being you get to hang out in Dun Bulldar for a few days after you win the match.

All with the purpose of advancing 'PvP levels' to get 'PvP rewards' that help more in 'PvP than they do in 'PvE'.

I'm hoping the PvP system turns out to be fun, but let's not kid ourselves here.

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

At least among my friends, a lot of us are jumping to this wow-clone that has all the things we came to wow for... mainly guild pvp. Do you remember all the false promises that Blizzard gave about huge pvp battles with siege equipment... We wont even go into the mention of "meaningful" pvp. After 4 years, WoW's pvp is still probably the most shallow pvp I have ever done; hell its worse than EQ's shit-box. Arenas are the dumbest thing ever thought of and bg's, while fun for awhile, are outdated.

WoW's pve game, while a rehash of EQs, is still enjoyable if you are into that sort of thing. If you are leaving WoW for pve reasons I'm not sure AoC will satisfy you... although from what I have read/heard AoC's pve end-game content is quite different than any other game; mainly because healing is not at all similar to traditional MMOs.

To say that AoC's pvp is anything similar to WoW's is a fucking joke.

Are guild vs. guild PVP & siege equipment actually in the game yet? Honest question, I haven't been paying close attention to higher level stuff. How's it looking, if so?

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

At least among my friends, a lot of us are jumping to this wow-clone that has all the things we came to wow for... mainly guild pvp. Do you remember all the false promises that Blizzard gave about huge pvp battles with siege equipment... We wont even go into the mention of "meaningful" pvp. After 4 years, WoW's pvp is still probably the most shallow pvp I have ever done; hell its worse than EQ's shit-box. Arenas are the dumbest thing ever thought of and bg's, while fun for awhile, are outdated.

WoW's pve game, while a rehash of EQs, is still enjoyable if you are into that sort of thing. If you are leaving WoW for pve reasons I'm not sure AoC will satisfy you... although from what I have read/heard AoC's pve end-game content is quite different than any other game; mainly because healing is not at all similar to traditional MMOs.

To say that AoC's pvp is anything similar to WoW's is a fucking joke.

Hey guys before we get all epeen about AoC vs WoW pvp can get get some AoC pvp to compare it against first? Seriously if we starting beefing up AoC pvp now and it turns into Alterac Valley 2.0 there are going to be a lot of shitty people out there. If it takes 2 months to build a castle and 2 hours for a guild to knock it down that shitstorm that follows won't be pretty. If it turns on 4 weeks from now that 3 classes pretty much suck as compared to X class that does everything they do better then you'll have bitching and moaning as people go right back to WoW.

Most of all if the patching and fixes don't come like pedofile at a japanese girl scout hentai convention then AoC is going to here vanguard style bitching in short order.

AoC has a lot on its plate to deal with and soon and as lvl 80's seem to take but a week or 2 to show up it won't be long before we start hearing how the endgame and/or endgame pvp is. And endgame crafting.

[Deris]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

To say that AoC's pvp is anything similar to WoW's is a fucking joke.

Will AoC be able to support tournaments and small scale pvp as well as WoW?