[WoW]Wotlk:Raid instances to have 10 and 25 man versions, Death Knight starts at 55 - Page 33

Cybsled · 05-19-2008, 07:18 PM

EQ1's "big" dungeons just meant your over-camped section of the dungeon would only have 6 people camping the shit out of the 5 froglok spawns instead of 12.

Staberinde · 05-20-2008, 05:12 AM

I guess this is spot the fake patch notes #1, but "wotlk leaks" posted this news article which allegedly shows many of the XP skills and talents.

Usual disclaimer, take with a pinch of salt, probably fake, peruse at your own risk etc.

Zerai · 05-20-2008, 05:18 AM

Ok, that site is probably total garbage.

In warrior: Titan's Grip - Allows you to equip two-handed axes, maces and swords in one hand, but you attack 28/26/24/22/20% slower then normal

That was listed for TBC way back in the day.

Tenks · 05-20-2008, 06:40 AM

As I posted on my guild forums, those warrior changes for WotLK is basically the same list of things warriors were bitching for in vanilla and every fake leak had in them.

Tarrant220 · 05-20-2008, 07:10 AM

No way do they give mages a Netherwind Proc in their skill trees, I think that was in fake notes more then once as well for TBC.

Mages are so fucked right now anyways unless they have some major changes in store for them I'll prob never play mine again out side of leveling it to 80.

Ukerric · 05-20-2008, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerai

Ok, that site is probably total garbage.

In warrior: Titan's Grip - Allows you to equip two-handed axes, maces and swords in one hand, but you attack 28/26/24/22/20% slower then normal

That was listed for TBC way back in the day.

Probably still lurks in the data files, even though it was never used.

Zerai · 05-20-2008, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ukerric

Probably still lurks in the data files, even though it was never used.

I'm pretty sure it was never in the data files. People just get it from Diablo 2, barbarian talent.

Tenks · 05-20-2008, 08:51 AM

I think it would take some serious number crunching but I would doubt DW'ing 2H weapons at a 20% haste penalty would even yield a DPS increase. For Fury I could almost guarentee it would be a DPS decrease. 2H weapons are what, 50 DPS more than a comparable 1H weapon? Bloodthirst isn't modified by weapon speed nor weapon DPS so it wouldn't see any increase in damage. The warrior's white damage (~55-60% damage) would be reduced by 20% with only a static 50DPS increase (31.25 OH w/ DWS) in damage. No way it would be a viable Fury talent.

If it is an Arms 41+ talent I could see it working out decently and giving DW PvP some viability. However, it would be the final nail in the coffin for fury warriors in raids.

rangoth · 05-20-2008, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenks

I think it would take some serious number crunching but I would doubt DW'ing 2H weapons at a 20% haste penalty would even yield a DPS increase. For Fury I could almost guarentee it would be a DPS decrease. 2H weapons are what, 50 DPS more than a comparable 1H weapon? Bloodthirst isn't modified by weapon speed nor weapon DPS so it wouldn't see any increase in damage. The warrior's white damage (~55-60% damage) would be reduced by 20% with only a static 50DPS increase (31.25 OH w/ DWS) in damage. No way it would be a viable Fury talent.

If it is an Arms 41+ talent I could see it working out decently and giving DW PvP some viability. However, it would be the final nail in the coffin for fury warriors in raids.

Except the stats on them are insane most of the time, and with flurry up 100% of the time you counter the decrease almost completely. In effect, DWing 2 two-handers at zero cost(give or take).

I second(fifth?) that these are extremely fake but based on either diablo/dota/typical suggestions on the forums.

Jubee · 05-20-2008, 09:25 AM

It was pointed out on another forum I visit that the card game version of Titan Grip, you can have a 2 hander in your main hand but have to use a 1 hander in your offhand.

Antoine · 05-20-2008, 09:31 AM

They're not fake, these spells were extracted from the installer that you could reach on the official site. Just because they're in there doesn't mean they're final, though.

Staberinde · 05-20-2008, 09:38 AM

Apparently the information was retrieved from data mining the alpha client. The client download was linked also if anyone wanted to verify the data mining (of course this doesnt discount the posibility that the client was edited with fake data insterted into in it).

The abilities listed may appear in the client data despite never having a chance of appearing in game. If you want to be really cynical its possible blizzard put fake data in there to discredit anyone datamining the client.

Another thing to note is that the page is essentially a wiki. Which means people can edit false information in at any point on the page. That being said the "recent changes" tab seems to show heavy moderation stopping people trying to corrupt the article with their own ideas for skills/talents (most notable being any rogue spells/skills which have been said are not implemented in the current build).

Tenks · 05-20-2008, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangoth

Except the stats on them are insane most of the time, and with flurry up 100% of the time you counter the decrease almost completely. In effect, DWing 2 two-handers at zero cost(give or take).

I second(fifth?) that these are extremely fake but based on either diablo/dota/typical suggestions on the forums.

Well there would be a cost in the fact that your Flurry would only give you 5% haste instead of 25% :/

I will give you, however, that the stats using 2 2H weapons would be like having stats from 4 1H weapons. Either way I think for the DPS increase of being a (I'm speculating here) 41+ arms talent that with 5/5 Titan Grip it should carry no penalty. Better yet make it the 50 point Arms talent and make it carry no penalty.

Zehn - Vhex · 05-20-2008, 11:08 AM

There's an absolute fuckton of spell data in the client that has never been implemented/used over the years. Anybody remember the entire champion series of spells people thought would go to priests? Titan grip is another one.

It's fun to read no doubt though.

kaid · 05-20-2008, 11:10 AM

some of it may be real some may be fake the alpha client apparently has fallen into peoples hands and so even if they can't play it they can data parse it so some info is legit but with all the people trying to edit the stuff the signal to noise will be a bit to large to really get much of a feel for what they are really doing. One talent that looked very fake to me was the increase str/health by up to 5%. Jesus that skill would already scale in sick and wrong ways given what you will have for hp at level 80 an extra 5% could be thousands of extra hp.

They had something like that in TBC intially and it just scaled way way to strongly and was switched to stam instead of health.

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05-20-2008, 05:12 AM	#482 (permalink)
Staberinde Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 77 +0 Internets	I guess this is spot the fake patch notes #1, but "wotlk leaks" posted this news article which allegedly shows many of the XP skills and talents. Usual disclaimer, take with a pinch of salt, probably fake, peruse at your own risk etc.

05-20-2008, 05:18 AM	#483 (permalink)
Zerai ~ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: An Igloo Posts: 2,943 -6 Internets	Ok, that site is probably total garbage. In warrior: Titan's Grip - Allows you to equip two-handed axes, maces and swords in one hand, but you attack 28/26/24/22/20% slower then normal That was listed for TBC way back in the day.

05-20-2008, 06:40 AM	#484 (permalink)
Tenks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 522	As I posted on my guild forums, those warrior changes for WotLK is basically the same list of things warriors were bitching for in vanilla and every fake leak had in them.

05-20-2008, 07:10 AM	#485 (permalink)
Tarrant220 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 549 +10 Internets	No way do they give mages a Netherwind Proc in their skill trees, I think that was in fake notes more then once as well for TBC. Mages are so fucked right now anyways unless they have some major changes in store for them I'll prob never play mine again out side of leveling it to 80.

05-20-2008, 08:51 AM	#488 (permalink)
Tenks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 522	I think it would take some serious number crunching but I would doubt DW'ing 2H weapons at a 20% haste penalty would even yield a DPS increase. For Fury I could almost guarentee it would be a DPS decrease. 2H weapons are what, 50 DPS more than a comparable 1H weapon? Bloodthirst isn't modified by weapon speed nor weapon DPS so it wouldn't see any increase in damage. The warrior's white damage (~55-60% damage) would be reduced by 20% with only a static 50DPS increase (31.25 OH w/ DWS) in damage. No way it would be a viable Fury talent. If it is an Arms 41+ talent I could see it working out decently and giving DW PvP some viability. However, it would be the final nail in the coffin for fury warriors in raids.

05-20-2008, 09:31 AM	#491 (permalink)
Antoine Tells it like it is Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 596 -19 Internets	They're not fake, these spells were extracted from the installer that you could reach on the official site. Just because they're in there doesn't mean they're final, though.

05-20-2008, 09:38 AM	#492 (permalink)
Staberinde Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 77 +0 Internets	Apparently the information was retrieved from data mining the alpha client. The client download was linked also if anyone wanted to verify the data mining (of course this doesnt discount the posibility that the client was edited with fake data insterted into in it). The abilities listed may appear in the client data despite never having a chance of appearing in game. If you want to be really cynical its possible blizzard put fake data in there to discredit anyone datamining the client. Another thing to note is that the page is essentially a wiki. Which means people can edit false information in at any point on the page. That being said the "recent changes" tab seems to show heavy moderation stopping people trying to corrupt the article with their own ideas for skills/talents (most notable being any rogue spells/skills which have been said are not implemented in the current build).

05-20-2008, 11:08 AM	#494 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	There's an absolute fuckton of spell data in the client that has never been implemented/used over the years. Anybody remember the entire champion series of spells people thought would go to priests? Titan grip is another one. It's fun to read no doubt though.

05-20-2008, 11:10 AM	#495 (permalink)
kaid Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 170 +0 Internets	some of it may be real some may be fake the alpha client apparently has fallen into peoples hands and so even if they can't play it they can data parse it so some info is legit but with all the people trying to edit the stuff the signal to noise will be a bit to large to really get much of a feel for what they are really doing. One talent that looked very fake to me was the increase str/health by up to 5%. Jesus that skill would already scale in sick and wrong ways given what you will have for hp at level 80 an extra 5% could be thousands of extra hp. They had something like that in TBC intially and it just scaled way way to strongly and was switched to stam instead of health.