WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[cuervos]

people will just start win trading to get what they want.

[machineman]

I think fucking Arenas ruined this game, so I am all for however they want to change them - whether they fix it or break it further, I couldn't give a rats ass.

[cuervos]

Originally Posted by Vardisk

The whole point of these changes are to get the top 1% of players out of the 1500 and 1600 brackets, that way players who are SUPPOSED to be in those brackets (but aren't because they get rofflestomped by 2200+ rated players) can actually get into them.

I mean for fucks sake, when I pvp on my paladin alt in 3s brackets we were in the 1800 rated bracket for the first half of the season. But for the past 2 months, 80% of the teams we play against are 2200+ rated teams that rerolled and can easily own us, so we lose 8 out of 10 games and drop own into the 1700s bracket, where we easily dominate the normal teams we fight, but still come up against 80% point sellers, lose all those games and drop down into the 1600 bracket. For whatever reason we get much luckier in coming up against normal teams in that bracket and just completely annihilate all of them, but wtf are we supposed to do when 80% of our fucking games are 2200+ rated games that we have zero chance against and just lose game after game to week after week?

That's ALL the Emberstorm battlegroup is, normal players have just completely stopped even playing arenas because if you're 1450-1850 rating you will have a net loss of rating every single week because 80% of games are against point sellers.

Get rid of the point sellers ruining the entire 1450-1850 range, and the people that are supposed to be in that range will slowly trickle back in.

I feel that if we LOCK anyone that has achieved 1850, AT 1850, this will fix that problem. Likewise for 2000.

[edit] and team rating cant be dependent on personal rating if they use this idea. if they lose with their 1850 weapons, they lose based on team rating.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

So you don't get to wear the very best PvP boots in the game without proving a modicum of worth. How terrible.

You're not getting it. If it represents the top 10% of the bracket now, and the other 90% stop playing, it will represent the top 1% of the ladder next season. Granted it won't be that drastic in actuality, but it'll still be a fairly sharp decline in the number of available points.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Vardisk

I mean for fucks sake, when I pvp on my paladin alt in 3s brackets we were in the 1800 rated bracket for the first half of the season. But for the past 2 months, 80% of the teams we play against are 2200+ rated teams that rerolled and can easily own us, so we lose 8 out of 10 games and drop own into the 1700s bracket, where we easily dominate the normal teams we fight, but still come up against 80% point sellers, lose all those games and drop down into the 1600 bracket. For whatever reason we get much luckier in coming up against normal teams in that bracket and just completely annihilate all of them, but wtf are we supposed to do when 80% of our fucking games are 2200+ rated games that we have zero chance against and just lose game after game to week after week?

Don't worry dude, after bringing up this very point on the EJ boards, the hardcore fucking leet PvPers over there assured me that it never happens. Those 2200 teams you meet are fucking mirages. You're losing because you suck. Maybe you should stop keyboard turning and mouse clicking, you fucking scrub. What the fuck is wrong with you anyway? No one at 2200 ever plays at a lower bracket, for any reason, because these people are WAY too busy swinging their dick around for there to be any time to curbstomp you.

After further questioning, they informed me that the vast majority of them only reach their precious epeen rating by questionable means -- win trading, playing at odd hours, etc. Can only play arena when the sun is up? Well shit, son, you're just not 2200 material. The real PvPers only come out at night and play against their buddies.

In short, if you think your fucking rating means you're awesome, you're a fucking cockholster. If you're constantly calling people fucking scrubs because you're so much better than they are, there's a pretty fucking good chance you didn't earn the right to anyway. Rating doesn't mean SHIT and anyone with half a brain can realize that. If your rating system is flawed and exploitable, then your rating doesn't mean anything.

[Wombat]

Put me in the critical failure column.

Arena ratings for season 4 items (even the honor point items) - fine, although the weapon and shoulder ratings are too high (especially once the shlubs drop).

Arena ratings for season 3 items - epic fail. Now goons are 2 seasons behind on weapons and pose practically no risk for the S4 people. No goons bother logging in post day one (to buy the ratingless items) and the rating requirements collapse.

Moral of the story:
Keep the current season tiered (by rating) to distinguish skill (or class imbalance). Keep the previous season untiered to promote goons logging in to keep the rating ladder intact. The end.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Wombat

Put me in the critical failure column.

Arena ratings for season 4 items (even the honor point items) - fine, although the weapon and shoulder ratings are too high (especially once the shlubs drop).

Arena ratings for season 3 items - epic fail. Now goons are 2 seasons behind on weapons and pose practically no risk for the S4 people. No goons bother logging in post day one (to buy the ratingless items) and the rating requirements collapse.

Moral of the story:
Keep the current season tiered (by rating) to distinguish skill (or class imbalance). Keep the previous season untiered to promote goons logging in to keep the rating ladder intact. The end.

Two pieces of gear.

[Vardisk]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Rating doesn't mean SHIT and anyone with half a brain can realize that. If your rating system is flawed and exploitable, then your rating doesn't mean anything.

Rating doesn't completely mean shit, its the different between 7 months and 2 months to fully gear out in a given season. And whether you can "fully" gear out at all.

All semantics though, my paladin pvp alt has his 5,000 banked for next season, so I'm not setting foot in arenas till then.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Vardisk

Rating doesn't completely mean shit, its the different between 7 months and 2 months to fully gear out in a given season. And whether you can "fully" gear out at all.

All semantics though, my paladin pvp alt has his 5,000 banked for next season, so I'm not setting foot in arenas till then.

Well, yeah, I meant rating doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of dick waving. Obviously it has repercussions in the gearing up phase, which need to be addressed, which they're trying to do, but half assed.

I mean seriously, you bust your ass, play a lot, got a good team, got some great gear, get to 2k rating, and then see that fucking asshole above walking around with a Bonegrinder and fucking greens and that doesn't piss you off? I know your enjoyment of the game shouldn't hinge on what other people are doing, but in a competitive system, you just can't have that if you want to maintain integrity.

[Arbitrary]

Ratings on the weapons I thought was fairly logical because they were the items most likely to distort PvE.

Arena requirements on offset items bought with honor? Go fuck yourself. Seriously. It is perfectly A fucking OK to do Kara once per week for your 22 badges, do the dailies with possible badge rewards, and hit the easier daily heroics and run out and buy T6 PvE shit but S4? Fuck that, you better man up to 1700 if you want to buy yourself some fucking boots.

[Clug]

Originally Posted by Vardisk

That's ALL the Emberstorm battlegroup is, normal players have just completely stopped even playing arenas because if you're 1450-1850 rating you will have a net loss of rating every single week because 80% of games are against point sellers.

Add Bloodscalp to this. We have exactly the same problem. I hit 2k in 2s about the 4th week of S3 and I've been trying to help some friends get 1850 in 3s for some weapons and we keep running into full S3 reroll/pr selling/point selling teams that womp the shit out of my much lesser geared teammates.

When we run into similar geared people we win.

Right now the arena system is a fucking joke and these changes do nothing to address the real root of the problem. PR has to be made perm.

[madmaan]

These changes won't hold. The numbers don't lie. When subs start to fall changes will be made.

The system is made better with the more people that play. Making changes that will affect people negatively will make people play less. The system crumbles.

They do understand that making shit harder in wow never has a good affect right?

[tikkus]

Originally Posted by Clug

Add Bloodscalp to this. We have exactly the same problem. I hit 2k in 2s about the 4th week of S3 and I've been trying to help some friends get 1850 in 3s for some weapons and we keep running into full S3 reroll/pr selling/point selling teams that womp the shit out of my much lesser geared teammates.

When we run into similar geared people we win.

Right now the arena system is a fucking joke and these changes do nothing to address the real root of the problem. PR has to be made perm.

PR shouldn't be made perm, but the items themselves should require a PR to equip.

Edit: For example, If a team rerolls in 2v2 and have a rating of 1500, they shouldn't be able to equip those items until that 2v2 hits the rating prerequisite. They could still equip those items in their 3v3 and 5v5, though, if their PR in that was high enough.

[Draegan]

PR should definitely be perm.

[TheCutlery]

It has to be, or the system fails. If a gladiator team is ever fighting at 1500, it's broken.