WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[Lithose]

Double post.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Xurlitil

Listen up guys, i've got a HUGE e-peen, I'm gonna need a hand to haul it out, and you better stand back, because I need a lot of room to swing it around, since I'm awesome on a fucking message board. I'm only more awesome in a video game where the rating system is flawed. I got my superior rating because win trading and bullshit tactics are much easier than actually earning anything. In short, you all suck, and I am Dr. X, the Crown Prince of Awesome

Thanks for proving my point, dumbshit.

Explain Clug's story next, he's on my Battlegroup. Here, I'll point it out for you, don't want you getting lost on the way over.

Originally Posted by Clug

Add Bloodscalp to this. We have exactly the same problem. I hit 2k in 2s about the 4th week of S3 and I've been trying to help some friends get 1850 in 3s for some weapons and we keep running into full S3 reroll/pr selling/point selling teams that womp the shit out of my much lesser geared teammates.

When we run into similar geared people we win.

Right now the arena system is a fucking joke and these changes do nothing to address the real root of the problem. PR has to be made perm.

You (not you Clug), and the other super leet fucktards on EJ all pretty much refuse to see this problem, and I'm guessing it's because it only benefits you. There is no fucking way to improve your game as a 1500 scrub when you're getting steamrolled by pointselling rerolls a full 50% of the games you play. I was told I need to play more games. Okay, failed percentages in math, I see? It doesn't fucking matter how many games you play, the problem is fucking staggering, truly epic in proportion. In a given 10 games, it goes something like this - 3 games, we win, not even close. These people are not my true rating. 2 games, coin toss -- win or lose, pretty close either way. They're people truly at my rating (which is probably not the rating I'm sitting at currently), and then the other 5 games are games against people with S3 shoulders + Weapons and do this for a fucking living. Seriouly, do this for a living. 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, non stop nothing but fucking arena. How do you improve your rating in that situation? Just play better? Seriously? How do you determine where you went wrong when you're facing flawless CC chains and gib combos that literally rip your team apart in 15 seconds. There is no way. You cocksuckers that think you're so awesome couldn't do it either. That's why the point values on every bracket on every BG are so fucktardedly inflated, it's unbelievable. Top teams on every BG in every bracket are 2600? Fucking seriously? There's enough 5's teams running on some bullshit backwater BG to justify a 2600? You're smoking crack, there's no fucking way. Every single one of them is win trading, in some roundabout way, and you can't convince me otherwise.

In short, YOU'RE the piece of shit for thinking your fucking rating means anything. The system is broken. If you have a high rating in a broken system, you can't prove you got it legitimately, and I don't have to treat you like you did.

[Vorph]

Originally Posted by Lithose

<Massive retardation deleted>

Go fuck yourself for entering into a stupid argument that was started based on a join date tag, as if it were a symbol of knowledge and awesomeness.

No, fuck you for continuing to post here in a manner the makes the join date stereotype a self-fulfilling prophecy, as well as being one of those PVP'ers who gives the rest a bad name.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

There is no fucking way to improve your game as a 1500 scrub when you're getting steamrolled by pointselling rerolls a full 50% of the games you play. I was told I need to play more games.

I've watched my friends struggle for a good one or two months in the 1500-1600 range upon entering the arena system and they eventually started climbing and are now 2100 players. Have you tried long enough to truly say it's impossible or did you just assume it was and give up.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

I've watched my friends struggle for a good month in the 1500-1600 range upon entering the arena system and they eventually started climbing and are now 2100 players. Have you tried long enough to truly say it's impossible or did you just assume it was and give up.

Month? Fucking I wish. It's been like this on Cyclone since mid s2. We move up to 1700 or so, get a bad streak of pure gladiator/duelist/pointselling/(war/dru with s3 shoulders + paladin!) steamroll teams, drop down to 1550-1600, start kicking scrub ass, move back up, and the cycle perpetuates itself. At very few points do I feel that we're actually getting "Good" games. It's either us fucking destroying people or getting bent over a fucking barrel. I might get 1 or 2 good games a week, where I actually feel that the opposing team is the same rating that we are. It is my understanding that's what the ELO system is supposed to do...rate you against people who are roughly the same skill as you. It pretty much doesn't do anything of the sort.

The rating requirements are fine, I understand why they're doing it. But you can't pair up people with that kind of shit against scrubs or the system falls apart as the scrubs feel that they can't compete.

[The Ancient]

How many games do you play weekly? The 1-2 month figure I provided is from when they started taking the system seriously and Arenaing a LOT more than the 10 minimum games and starting creating a dedicated team of 5/3/2 etc instead of just subbing in whichever friends happened to be on that night.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

How many games do you play weekly?

Back when I actually gave a shit, we'd do 2 or 3 days a week of 15-20 games. Capped out about 1787 near the end of S2 and that's as good as it got. Season 3 has been a complete fucking abomination with us basically using it as a season to gear up new toons, and hovering at 1500 while we do it. The sheer amount of reroll teams is simply astonishing. You would fucking shit bricks if you saw this crap day in and day out.

Now I don't care so much. We play what we play until we get pissed off that the fucking Merc Gladiators on my server are rolling YET another fucking team to steamroll scrubs with. I've been on the recieving end of it, don't even try to say it doesn't happen. Ask them about it and it's always "LOL, trying out new comp" Yeah, uh huh.

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by Vorph

No, fuck you for continuing to post here in a manner the makes the join date stereotype a self-fulfilling prophecy, as well as being one of those PVP'ers who gives the rest a bad name.

Obviously Vorth, the join date retardation being an issue at all is a problem with assholes, like you, who believe they can whine their way to a fix over everything. People like you constantly prove that the vocal minority, who don't have the first clue on game mechanics or design, will be the ones to scream the loudest and be the most vocal.

I play on a PvE server, I guess thats because I like flipping my E-peen out and corpse camping, right? No, the fact is Vorth, I am not a "PvPer" at all, not since siege, really, I am just half way decent in the arena, which is all you need to get 2k+.

My posts here don't reflect a specific personality type, they reflect the incredibly insightful people I am speaking too, people who bitch and moan without a second thought as to what they are whining about and then berate anyone who might actually question their epic-awesome opinion that is actually completely fucking hollow. The irony of being told to go back to the WoW boards by a bunch of people whining about free epics, on a board that was created by the most elite of guilds in EQ is absolutely fucking delicious irony.

And god damn this chicken egg fucking idiocy that you two have somehow suckered me in to.."Use join date stupidity-->response with MMO e-peen flexing to equal stupidity-->get told see join date is true!!??" Your logic is astounding sir, truly, Socrates has nothing on you when you can formulate a path of logical judgment like that.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Lithose

Obviously Vorth, the join date retardation being an issue at all is a problem with assholes, like you, who believe they can whine their way to a fix over everything. People like you constantly prove that the vocal minority, who don't have the first clue on game mechanics or design, will be the ones to scream the loudest and be the most vocal..

Have you ever heard of FoH before today? Does "You have 14 days" ring a bell?

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

I think Blizzard really has turned into the new SoE. This time with more subs, and more kool-aid.

First, they haven't bothered to seperate PvE and PvP mechanics (something even SoE learned to do, eventually) yet still tweak the game hoping that one won't affect the other.

And in their push to legitemize their E-Sport (lol), they've inadvertantly been counterproductive to the ideology that got them where they were -they've now begun making it harder and harder to get the welfare epics they were passing out like candy to begin with.

This may be fine from a game design philosophy point of view, and perhaps even the "health" of the game, but it certainly won't sit well with the coddled masses whose revenue is ultimately the driving reason for Blizzard being the success they are.

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Back when I actually gave a shit, we'd do 2 or 3 days a week of 15-20 games. Capped out about 1787 near the end of S2 and that's as good as it got. Season 3 has been a complete fucking abomination with us basically using it as a season to gear up new toons, and hovering at 1500 while we do it. The sheer amount of reroll teams is simply astonishing. You would fucking shit bricks if you saw this crap day in and day out.

Now I don't care so much. We play what we play until we get pissed off that the fucking Merc Gladiators on my server are rolling YET another fucking team to steamroll scrubs with. I've been on the recieving end of it, don't even try to say it doesn't happen. Ask them about it and it's always "LOL, trying out new comp" Yeah, uh huh.

I have brought three characters to above 1700, its been frustrating on some nights, yes, but I have only once played more then 30 games a week (Mostly it is exactly 10, because between work and family, getting more in is not possible) and have never encountered the numbers of re-rolls and point sellers you seem to be specifying.

50%? Come on, how are you expecting any person who had gotten above 1800 to even believe numbers like that, exaggeration is not the proper tool to change people's opinions. To be frank, there just aren't that many players who can 4 man 1850+ to have that 50% number.

I agree, its frustrating getting rocked by 4 s3 2300 Glads on my alt that I just fought on my main an hour ago, but its definitely not super-common, you probably just remember it a lot more.

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Have you ever heard of FoH before today? Does "You have 14 days" ring a bell?

Furor's rant about group speration in PoT after beating a ridiculously untuned rathe council? Yes, Of course, I have been reading these boards since they opened, hence the reason I never joined until the political discussions actually became good (IE most of the posters graduated college.)

Edit-And to be fair, Furor's rant was at the culmination of strings and strings of bad and careless design decisions that often went unfixed and ignored. I stopped playing in PoP for most of the same reasons a lot of people did, the utter carelessness of the games design became overwhelming.

However, this is different, Blizzard is trying to "fix" some things that have more to do with the player base exploting then with game design, and these whines are based around their attempts to "fix it", while Furor's rant was final straw of months of being ignored and tortured in that fucked, back flagging, hell of an expansion...So, on that note, they are very very different, but I can see your point and, as said, there was a reason why I was only a "reader" for so long.

[Grizzlebeard]

PvP is a serious business.

Who would have thunk it.

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

I think Blizzard really has turned into the new SoE. This time with more subs, and more kool-aid.

First, they haven't bothered to seperate PvE and PvP mechanics (something even SoE learned to do, eventually) yet still tweak the game hoping that one won't affect the other.

And in their push to legitemize their E-Sport (lol), they've inadvertantly been counterproductive to the ideology that got them where they were -they've now begun making it harder and harder to get the welfare epics they were passing out like candy to begin with.

This may be fine from a game design philosophy point of view, and perhaps even the "health" of the game, but it certainly won't sit well with the coddled masses whose revenue is ultimately the driving reason for Blizzard being the success they are.

I already posted about separate rule sets, so, just read up for my opinion.

The thing about the coddled masses though is...They either bore easily with no goals or goals don't matter because they are still 65 and in awe of these "cool" quests.

Psychological benefits of being good, comparative wealth, are a huge draw to MMO's. If they weren't, most of us would be playing single player games.

[Grizzlebeard]

Originally Posted by Lithose

Psychological benefits of being good, comparative wealth, are a huge draw to MMO's. If they weren't, most of us would be playing single player games.

People who are playing MMO's primarily to impress others really need to have a word with themselves. And, let's face it, it's a great deal harder to appear leet in WoW due to the fact every player with a pulse is loaded up with purples of varying levels.