WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[Zest]

Any class/spec can be successful with a Rogue partner.

Is there really more that needs to be said?

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Murr

As a poison and with a reagent it sucked balls.

I won't say it's not probably too strong right now, but the reagent was fucking retarded. I just don't know how to fix it without making it useless again - as a dispellable poison it's pretty crappy.

Like I said, how about we make it 4-5 seconds. Does the job, doesn't lead into a sap, and doesn't make it so that if you have to use your trinket for something it means your partner is fucking dead. Seriously, right now, everyone has to save their PvP trinket for the blind if they're facing a rogue or they basically auto lose. And even if they do wait for the blind, there's still a chance that before the trinket is up again, they'll die anyway. That's too good.

I don't consider Ice Block/DS really counters to it, those are bullshit abilities that don't need to be in the game either (but another argument for another time) and I have a really hard time calling BoP a counter to it. First of all, if you want to do anything other than cast, you've gotta click the counter off....that's pretty lame in and of itself, but then on top of that, the counter comes from ONE class, out of 9, and right now they're pretty shitty in 2's. It's pretty much the same as saying that the counter to druids is JOJ. That's not really fair to everyone else who isn't running with a ret pally right now. You can't have the counter to an overpowered class come from ONE class out of 9.

And Clug, come on. Well over half the teams I play contain at least one rogue. We're actually pleasantly surprised when we can come outta the gate and see both people, or at least see MoTW on someone. It means I don't have to deal with a fucking rogue.

[The Ancient]

Originally Posted by Cad

Thats perfectly fair, right? The class with the highest dps in the game should really have the best, undispellable, unavoidable CC on a cooldown lower than all of the counters.

*cough* cyclone

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Murr

As a poison and with a reagent it sucked balls.

I won't say it's not probably too strong right now, but the reagent was fucking retarded. I just don't know how to fix it without making it useless again - as a dispellable poison it's pretty crappy.

How is a 10 second dispellable insta-cast CC crappy?

The cooldown on it blows, but it is still pretty incredible, it just requires a little more thinking since you cannot put it on a druid with abolish up or a shaman with a totem down.

[Zerai]

For the stupidity of -internets for losing to a warlock as a warrior. Assuming both of us have 13000 hp, which is reasonable. The warlock will be sl/sl (this is arena after all). So the warlock with sl has essentially 15600 hp (20% bonus) and me in beserker stance has 11700 (+10% damage taken). I have to do 4k damage more than the warlock base, on top of the fact he'll have siphon life up and be casting drain life when possible. And if he's smart, he'll be by a pillar, death coil + trinket to remove hamstring and pillar humping and it's over.

If I get lucky I get some mace stuns. If he gets lucky...nightfall = instant shadow bolt for 3k. So essentially I have to rely on a lot of crits or I lose. I've won some when my priest died and it was just the warlock on their team left. I've also lost some. But it's never garaunteed. Very dependent on how much hp/mana he has and hp I have. If I'm low at all, I'm pretty fucked.

The dot damage rapes me as I have no mitigation to magic damage..in fact I take more damage. I could stance change..and get feared and/or just lose my rage.


As for blind and cyclone. Abilities with no counters suck. Cyclone is basically a ranged kidney shot with no downside. Least kidney shot you have to build combo points. Blind at least has a cooldown.

[Grizzlebeard]

Originally Posted by Zerai

If I get lucky I get some mace stuns. If he gets lucky...nightfall = instant shadow bolt for 3k.

I call bullshit on this. If the lock is SL/SL he won't have Ruin which means the chances of landing a 3k crit SB is pretty damned non-existent.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

I call bullshit on this. If the lock is SL/SL he won't have Ruin which means the chances of landing a 3k crit SB is pretty damned non-existent.

Versus warriors in berserker you can crit pretty damn high even without ruin. A full health warlock in an area with line of sight will usually beat a warrior handily, but that hardly means anything.

[bitch are your retarded?]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

Versus warriors in berserker you can crit pretty damn high even without ruin. A full health warlock in an area with line of sight will usually beat a warrior handily, but that hardly means anything.

yeah you just need to be on the right side of that 9% crit chance!!!!!!!!!!

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by bitch are your retarded?

yeah you just need to be on the right side of that 9% crit chance!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, but even without SB crits, an SL/SL lock will rape a warrior in a duel unless the warrior is retarded.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by bitch are your retarded?

yeah you just need to be on the right side of that 9% crit chance!!!!!!!!!!

Like I have to be on the right side of my 9% mace stun?

[The Ancient]

Sl/Sl locks don't crit anything thanks to something called Resilience. An SL/SL lock might beat you but it sure as hell wasn't from a 3k shadowbolt.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

Sl/Sl locks don't crit anything thanks to something called Resilience. An SL/SL lock might beat you but it sure as hell wasn't from a 3k shadowbolt.

Warriors don't have anywhere near capped resilience.

[Antoine]

Originally Posted by Zerai

Warriors don't have anywhere near capped resilience.

Here is a warrior who I'd say has average resilience, he's wearing full pvp gear except a Torch of the Damned. He has 0 resilience gems, but he does have a 15 resil to chest enchant which some choose not to get, so I'll say that cancels out with the fact that he uses a torch. He has 351 resilience, which reduces the chance to get crit by 8.9%.
Here is a warlock with mostly s3, a couple pieces s4. He has a 9.4% crit chance.

So yeah, I'd say that mace stuns (which can proc off anything and has a 7.5% proc rate is enormously more likely than a shadowbolt crit.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by Antoine

Here is a warrior who I'd say has average resilience, he's wearing full pvp gear except a Torch of the Damned. He has 0 resilience gems, but he does have a 15 resil to chest enchant which some choose not to get, so I'll say that cancels out with the fact that he uses a torch. He has 351 resilience, which reduces the chance to get crit by 8.9%.
Here is a warlock with mostly s3, a couple pieces s4. He has a 9.4% crit chance.

So yeah, I'd say that mace stuns (which can proc off anything and has a 7.5% proc rate is enormously more likely than a shadowbolt crit.

Anyway, the reason I brought it up is because of one occurance where it did happen. He was low, I was low, bam I died. Checked combat log. 3k Shadowbolt instant. So it might be one in a million, but so is my crit chain with a mace spec.

Regardless, my point still stands. Warrior on Warlock is not a garaunteed win for the warrior at all. It'll be a damn close fight and proc rates on either side heavily influences in the outcome.

So to the retard who gave -internets, bgs don't count when you're wearing S3 and they are in blues. I rarely lose to warlocks in bgs..mainly because of gear and skill. In arenas, whole different story, same skill levels, it hurts.

[Crap]

Originally Posted by Zest

Any class/spec can be successful with a Rogue partner.

Is there really more that needs to be said?

Yeah, that rogues are fine are the rest of you need to be brought up to our level.