WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO - Page 78

Zehn - Vhex · 07-03-2008, 06:49 PM

Cutlery does have a bit of a point. If you remove rogues from the arena equation, the balance between druids/priests/shaman/paladins becomes a bit more even. Druids are still bullshit because there is no way to kill a resto druid but other healers aren't just flat out useless.

Janx · 07-03-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Yeah, we need to have a fucking talk about how impossible it is to peel a rogue off of anyone with 30% crip, 2 sprints, Cloak of Skill, and now shadowstep. You think it's hard to get a warrior off your nuts.

Hamstring is 50%, Wing Clip is 40% and Crip is 30% and warriors are the ones that get bitched about. I just don't get it. There's a rogue on a full 75% of the 2's teams out there and that's not a fucking problem? The reason that Warrior and Druid is the primary combo is because a warrior can NOT get a rogue off of any other healer. The druid enables the escape. It's really not warriors fault that you can't get a rogue off of a priest, shaman, or paladin. That's shitty balance. It's not really a problem with warriors, there's a small problem with druids, but the real problem is that when half of the teams you face every night have a rogue that is going straight for your fucking healer and you WILL NOT get him off of that healer until he's dead. Then you can see why druids had the massive rise to power that they did. It had nothing to do with how awesome druids are and everything to do with how bullshit rogues are with all the other healers that were already 70, before everyone and their fucking brother rolled up a druid...to deal with the fucking rogues.

I can't fucking quote that enough. Fuck rogues in their smelly asses. Trinket out of the wrong thing? blind/win GG
wtb blind being a fucking poison again please.

Cad · 07-03-2008, 08:59 PM

I seriously have no idea how Blizzard looked at a class like rogues, looked at blind, and said.. you know... this skill really isn't powerful enough. Lets take away the reagent and make it undispellable! LAWL!

WTF?

Janx · 07-03-2008, 09:05 PM

And can't believe Blizz is gonna let rogues sap beasts. Way to fucking go. GG druids...gg.

Vinen · 07-03-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Janx

And can't believe Blizz is gonna let rogues sap beasts. Way to fucking go. GG druids...gg.

I don't think I can count the number of times I've used Hibernate on one hand.

Cad · 07-03-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinen

I don't think I can count the number of times I've used Hibernate on one hand.

Can you hibernate from stealth and remain stealthed?

TheCutlery · 07-03-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cad

I seriously have no idea how Blizzard looked at a class like rogues, looked at blind, and said.. you know... this skill really isn't powerful enough. Lets take away the reagent and make it undispellable! LAWL!

WTF?

Yeah, Blind right now has 1 counter, and, get this...properly talented, the ability has a shorter cooldown than the counter.

Poly is dispellable, cyclone and fear have 20 yd ranges, Psych is on a 27 second cooldown, but motherfuck...if you are facing a rogue you can not use your pvp trinket until the blind. There is no other class in the game that TAKES AWAY AN EQUIPMENT SLOT FROM YOU. That's fucking ridiculous. And what's worse is that even if you do trinket the blind, there's still a good chance that in 90 seconds, you lose anyway because your trinket isn't back up. How's that for balance?

Wanna leave blind the way it is now? Fine, halve the duration. Undispellable, unavoidable cc skill with a 10 second duration and 1 counter is WAY overpowered for an already overpowered class.

Wodin · 07-03-2008, 10:41 PM

What? Blind has always been shorter than Blessing of Protection.

Cad · 07-03-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wodin

What? Blind has always been shorter than Blessing of Protection.

He's talking about the pvp trinket, but you know that. If you were going to blind someone, would it be the pally or the dps? And while blinded, he can't self-bop. He could DS, I suppose.

So Blind counters:

Ice Block
Divine Shield
Blessing of Protection
PvP Trinket

And Blind can be on a 90 second cooldown.. so theoretically, you could blind someone, have them break it with Ice Block (0:00), blind another person, have them break it with DS (1:30), blind ANOTHER person, have them break it with PvP trinket (3:00), and still blind the first mage (4:30) and ice block would not yet be up.

Thats perfectly fair, right? The class with the highest dps in the game should really have the best, undispellable, unavoidable CC on a cooldown lower than all of the counters.

I know you're being snarky Wodin but this really is not right.

Janx · 07-03-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinen

I don't think I can count the number of times I've used Hibernate on one hand.

I'm able to get hibernate off all the damn time on druids/shm both. And for getting away from hunter pets to drink.

Murr · 07-03-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cad

I seriously have no idea how Blizzard looked at a class like rogues, looked at blind, and said.. you know... this skill really isn't powerful enough. Lets take away the reagent and make it undispellable! LAWL!

WTF?

As a poison and with a reagent it sucked balls.

I won't say it's not probably too strong right now, but the reagent was fucking retarded. I just don't know how to fix it without making it useless again - as a dispellable poison it's pretty crappy.

Azzikai · 07-03-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinen

I don't think I can count the number of times I've used Hibernate on one hand.

I loved hibernate while PvP'ing on my Druid. Oh, look, it is an 8/11/42 resto, he has charged me and not switched out of bear form, what ever will I do! Druid's can't shift out of hibernate and if they blow their trinket I just made them easier to deal with for someone else.

I also remember using it long ago on dragonkin type mobs. Hell, I even used it in ZG. BC zones don't have a ton of uses for it, sure, but it isn't exactly Soothe Animals level of uselessness.

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Originally Posted by Murr

As a poison and with a reagent it sucked balls.

I won't say it's not probably too strong right now, but the reagent was fucking retarded. I just don't know how to fix it without making it useless again - as a dispellable poison it's pretty crappy.

Well, at least Priests couldn't dispell it if it went back to that. Make it a disease, then you'll still be able to fuck with Druid/Warrior team.

Clug · 07-03-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Hamstring is 50%, Wing Clip is 40% and Crip is 30% and warriors are the ones that get bitched about. I just don't get it. There's a rogue on a full 75% of the 2's teams out there and that's not a fucking problem?

Yes, because hamstring is dispellable and so is wing clip, oh wait.

And 75%? Holy fuck what reality are you in buddy?

Janx · 07-04-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Clug

Yes, because hamstring is dispellable and so is wing clip, oh wait.

And 75%? Holy fuck what reality are you in buddy?

In my battlegroup I could EASILY say 75% of 2's have a rogue.

Clug · 07-04-2008, 12:38 AM

95.45% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

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07-03-2008, 06:49 PM	#1156 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	Cutlery does have a bit of a point. If you remove rogues from the arena equation, the balance between druids/priests/shaman/paladins becomes a bit more even. Druids are still bullshit because there is no way to kill a resto druid but other healers aren't just flat out useless.

07-03-2008, 08:59 PM	#1158 (permalink)
Cad Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 5,415	I seriously have no idea how Blizzard looked at a class like rogues, looked at blind, and said.. you know... this skill really isn't powerful enough. Lets take away the reagent and make it undispellable! LAWL! WTF?

07-03-2008, 09:05 PM	#1159 (permalink)
Janx Mr. Pibb + Redvines = crazy delicious Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 509 +0 Internets	And can't believe Blizz is gonna let rogues sap beasts. Way to fucking go. GG druids...gg.

07-04-2008, 12:38 AM	#1170 (permalink)
Clug title? I don't need no stinkin title Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 769	95.45% of all statistics are made up on the spot.