WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Agraza

Obviously healing isn't powerful enough.

You're going to use the fact that 2 healing spec'd characters with little to no ability to dps AT ALL as evidence that healing is overpowered? Fuck you.

[Eonan]

Originally Posted by Agraza

Obviously healing isn't powerful enough.

And you obviously didn't read that both DPS died 30 minutes into the match.

[Trifle]

Originally Posted by Eonan

And you obviously didn't read that both DPS died 30 minutes into the match.

Uhhh... the warrior has 20k damage and the warlock has 13k damage. I sure as hell hope it didn't take them 30 minutes to do that.

Maybe you misread, I think the 30 minutes was how long it took the priest's dps to get bored and log off after he died.

[Modo Icecrown]

wow Fuck 2s.

[Agraza]

Originally Posted by Sunder

You're going to use the fact that 2 healing spec'd characters with little to no ability to dps AT ALL as evidence that healing is overpowered? Fuck you.

No, I was throwing back to our discussion on whether a 1v1 bout should be slanted towards dps or healing. I think it should be dps since endless fights are the suck. I realize that has very little to do with this particular example which is why I only posted a sentence.

[Zest]

So even though every single DPS spec/class has methods of preventing their target from healing, you think that damage should out-scale healing so that someone that does nothing other than flee/heal should die?

[Jubee]

Originally Posted by Zest

So even though every single DPS spec/class has methods of preventing their target from healing, you think that damage should out-scale healing so that someone that does nothing other than flee/heal should die?

It's the MMO circle of life. Healers think DPS have too many ways to keep them from healing and DPS think healers are too hard to kill.

Unless you are a druid, of course. Then nothing bothers you as you effortlessly heal yourself and CC multiple people into the ground by mashing your face on the keyboard.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Jubee

It's the MMO circle of life. Healers think DPS have too many ways to keep them from healing and DPS think healers are too hard to kill.

Unless you are a druid, of course. Then nothing bothers you as you effortlessly heal yourself and CC multiple people into the ground by mashing your face on the keyboard.

Druids are just one of those classes where an average player makes for an average team, but a stellar player makes for a fucking unstoppable team.

[The Ancient]

Average Druids in 2's make for above average teams.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by Clug

Cept you are both wrong.

There are 5 teams over 2200 on SK currently, all 2's. 3 of the 5 are war/druid (shocker), 1 druid/lock and 1 druid/rogue.

Druids are OK.

I used to and still do hate resto druids (even if I play one) but keep in mind that the playstyle and ability set of a druid could not possibly be any more different than, for instance, a paladin. Druids are all about mobility, cc, and hots. Paladins are (supposed to be) walking tanks with no cc just unpushbackable huge heals. One of those exceeds in 2's, one exceeds in 5's. The other generally fails in that bracket. Whining about druids in 2's is all well and good but realize there's no fundamental way to make them okay for 2's but not completely and absolute shit for 5's and actually keep the flavor of the class (shifting, hots, etc) intact. Short of a complete class overhaul, you're always going to see a druid prevalence in 2's.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

So how many characters do you have that are FOTM re-rolls? Druid, Rogue, Hunter, Paladin, Warlock... any more we should know about?

[Janx]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

So how many characters do you have that are FOTM re-rolls? Druid, Rogue, Hunter, Paladin, Warlock... any more we should know about?

This.

[Makata]

Doesn't the fact that I have 7 70s disprove this horseshit idea? If I play every class .. it's kind of hard to honestly say I'm only playing the most op. You can also note that while I have a rogue, I refuse to pvp with it as shadowstep looks to be about as fun as being raped by a man to me. My previous character was a pvp mage which have been underpowered in pvp since tbc started, so good luck making that analogy. I also don't have a warrior even though they are the ultimate pvp class pre- and post-tbc even after a dozen nerfs.

So because I started a warlock before S1 even started and because I have a resto druid (I'll admit in this and only this case does your inane comment apply) .. I'm a fotm reroll? Do I really need to go over my entire character history?

[Horse]

Originally Posted by Makata

You can also note that while I have a rogue, I refuse to pvp with it as shadowstep looks to be about as fun as being raped by a man to me?

So it's really, really fun?




Healers are not overpowered at all, except druids. Bottomline. Saying it should be balanced towards DPS because games should go faster is fucking asinine when you consider what decent drain teams can pull off (again focused on druids).

Mediocre, piss-poor druids are insanely overpowered and do not make mediocre teams.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by Makata

Doesn't the fact that I have 7 70s disprove this horseshit idea? If I play every class .. it's kind of hard to honestly say I'm only playing the most op. You can also note that while I have a rogue, I refuse to pvp with it as shadowstep looks to be about as fun as being raped by a man to me. My previous character was a pvp mage which have been underpowered in pvp since tbc started, so good luck making that analogy. I also don't have a warrior even though they are the ultimate pvp class pre- and post-tbc even after a dozen nerfs.

So because I started a warlock before S1 even started and because I have a resto druid (I'll admit in this and only this case does your inane comment apply) .. I'm a fotm reroll? Do I really need to go over my entire character history?

Warrior is not the most powerful pvp class. As can be seen pretty obviously by looking at the top arena teams. War/dru is powerful..yes..but why isn't war/x up there as well as often? Rogues and Warlocks are definately more powerful. Yes, warrior's have advantages against those 2 classes, a good warlock still rapes a warrior and a good rogue can do significant damage to a warrior, what about all the other classes they don't have advantages against...vs those 2 classes just weak(er) against 1.