WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[Ukerric]

Originally Posted by Azzikai

They also need to fix it so that a person earns points/rating based off their own personal rating with match-ups being determined by the average personal rating or team rating, whichever is higher.

For the first point, they are.

For the second point, they pick whichever is... lower, not higher. If the average personal rating is too low compared to the team, you fight in the lower bracket. Yes, you fight lesser opponents, but that means the low rated members earn less rating, which is the goal (stop the personal rating selling).

[Azzikai]

Originally Posted by Ukerric

For the first point, they are.

For the second point, they pick whichever is... lower, not higher. If the average personal rating is too low compared to the team, you fight in the lower bracket. Yes, you fight lesser opponents, but that means the low rated members earn less rating, which is the goal (stop the personal rating selling).

They get to bottom feed, which needs to stop.

If you want to ride someone else's coattails to the top then you need to pay a penalty. That penalty being you are matched against people that more suit the person who is boosting you vs. people that you could handle. That means you won't be winning nearly as often as your booster isn't going to be able to steamroll people a lot closer to their rating.

They need to make the fights harder for those who are team selling. Make it less worth the effort. There will still be people doing it but it won't be every other fucking team you run into.

[Gnome Eater]

That would make point boosting even easier, since a 2.2k+ player can easily carry someone to 1800+.

[Azzikai]

How is it easier boosting someone fighitng 1800 rated players vs. fighting 1600 rated players?

[Niafix04]

Originally Posted by Makata

You really must not actually play arena much to think it's uncommon for the 2k players to reform constantly.
* PR selling
* TR selling / point selling
* griefing
* shits n' giggles
* power rating a friend/guildie

I'm not sure you understand the scale of what you're actually talking about. First of all, I play arena plenty and am fairly high rated, but that is irrelevant. You, and everyone else who whines like you, keep making the same contradiction. You say that it's so hard to get to high ratings, and that due to the system only the smallest percentages of players can be high rated. I don't disagree here. However, then you say that you play tons of 2k+ reroll teams every time you try to arena. It does not make sense that you're continuously playing against the smallest percentage of arena players every time you Queue up. Again, to put it into simple terms that you can understand: Amount of teams between 1400-1600 >>>>> Ammount of teams between 2000-2700+. It's not even close.

Even if every single 2k+ team rerolled every week at some point, you wouldn't play against them often because the amount of legit ~1500 teams is so vast that the 2k players pale in comparison. Not every 2k team rerolls at all, let alone every week.

Also, point/rating selling is very rare now, and team selling is nonexistant. Unless the team is a fresh reroll, the teams in your bracket belong in your bracket.

[Zerai]

I was 2v2ing last night. It's frankly retarded how many teams we face with shoulders + weapon in the 1700-1800 rating. They outnumber the ones without.

These aren't just random matchups either. They are all fotm style groupings. Druid/warlocks, Druid/warrior, priest/rogue, mage/rogue.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Niafix04

Even if every single 2k+ team rerolled every week at some point, you wouldn't play against them often because the amount of legit ~1500 teams is so vast that the 2k players pale in comparison. Not every 2k team rerolls at all, let alone every week.

Yeah dude, we'll just ignore everyone in this thread who comes here and says they face S3 shoulders in 50-75% of their matches in the 1500's and we'll believe your fucking line of bullshit that it never happens.

Are you really that fucking dense? 20 people come here and say the exact same shit happens and you go and deny it?

[Niafix04]

All teams start out at 1500. I know what kind of players/gear is found at that rating because I play there 3-4 times a week when I remake my team to stomp players like you. Also, nobody ever exaggerates to prove a point or garner sympathy.

[Makata]

Originally Posted by Niafix04

I'm not sure you understand the scale of what you're actually talking about. First of all, I play arena plenty and am fairly high rated, but that is irrelevant. You, and everyone else who whines like you, keep making the same contradiction. You say that it's so hard to get to high ratings, and that due to the system only the smallest percentages of players can be high rated. I don't disagree here. However, then you say that you play tons of 2k+ reroll teams every time you try to arena. It does not make sense that you're continuously playing against the smallest percentage of arena players every time you Queue up. Again, to put it into simple terms that you can understand: Amount of teams between 1400-1600 >>>>> Ammount of teams between 2000-2700+. It's not even close.

Most people play 10 games a week, maybe 20. The people in question (1800-2000+ players who team hop / make new teams) will play hundreds. You can't look at the number of teams but the number of games played. Between 1500-1600, there may be 2000 legit teams in that range and only 20 reroll teams, but those 2000 legit teams generally play for only 1-2 hours a week. 1 hour of game play over the course of a week (7 days * 16 hours of prime time) means during any one 1 hour block you're only going to see approximately 18 legit teams but it's very feasibly that over half of those exploitive teams will be queuing at any hour of the day.

Also, point/rating selling is very rare now, and team selling is nonexistant. Unless the team is a fresh reroll, the teams in your bracket belong in your bracket.

Axiom #1: S3 shoulders and weapon require 2000 and 1850 rating respectively.
Axiom #2: There are numerous players in the 1400-1700 range with said items.
Axiom #3: 1700 < 1850.
QED: NO, SIR, THEY DO NOT FUCKING BELONG THERE.

Please, someone, explain to me why it that at some point in your arena career you fought in the 1800, 1900, 2000, w/e range and now you fight at 1500? Did you just become alot worse? IMO as soon as you reach 1700 personal rating, the minimum rating you can ever be matched on in that bracket ever again is 1600. (So that even if you start a fresh team, your first game will queue you with a 1600 rating). As soon as you reach 1800, your minimum is 1700, etc. If you want your shitty friends to play with you, fine. But they have to fight at YOUR level.

[column]

Originally Posted by Zerai

I was 2v2ing last night. It's frankly retarded how many teams we face with shoulders + weapon in the 1700-1800 rating. They outnumber the ones without.

These aren't just random matchups either. They are all fotm style groupings. Druid/warlocks, Druid/warrior, priest/rogue, mage/rogue.

Alot of people have come back since the announcement, so you will see alot of people practicing to get there shit down before S4 starts.

Thats why you are seeing a large amount of full s4 in the lower brackets PROBLY

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by column

Alot of people have come back since the announcement, so you will see alot of people practicing to get there shit down before S4 starts.

Thats why you are seeing a large amount of full s4 in the lower brackets PROBLY

I would agree. Except they were there last week. And the week before. Week before that too. And before that...

[column]

Maybe its just your battlegroup then. Because when I'm messing around on my other toons,I almost never see a full s3 team in the 1300-1600 range.

I'm not saying that its not rampant, I'm just saying I don't see it going up to 1700 that much.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Zerai

I would agree. Except they were there last week. And the week before. Week before that too. And before that...

NO WAI THEY'RE JUST PRACTICING AND GETTING READY FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF S4

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by column

Maybe its just your battlegroup then. Because when I'm messing around on my other toons,I almost never see a full s3 team in the 1300-1600 range.

I'm not saying that its not rampant, I'm just saying I don't see it going up to 1700 that much.

Thats why I said 1700-1800. And then we lose 18 points to them. Or Win 14.

[Zest]

At least on BG6, 1700 is where the full S3 teams start. Once you get around 1800 seeing S1 or PvE gear becomes a real rarity. My 3v3 sits just over 2k, and except for the PvE weapon, we never see anything less than full S3... which is fine because by that point you should be wearing it.

I really don't have a problem with the rating requirements, so long as people that don't belong in that bracket won't be playing in it. In my 3v3, I don't care that I face people in full S3. They should have it. But at 1700 in my 2v2, why are the majority of the teams I'm facing wearing items with ratings they're not reaching?

If they were to strip the rating requirements from the honor gear, push the S3 weapon/shoulders down to 1750/1900, the S4 weapon/shoulders down to 1850/2000... I would have no problem with any of it.