WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[Deris]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

Most warriors are absolutely awful at their class. They won't put a shield up and turtle up, follow their healer, or try to peel people off, but will mindlessly auto-attack one person the entire match without pummeling any spell.

The sad part is that you can quite easily get to 2k with enough persistence just by doing that if you are partnered with a decent druid.

Easiest way to get above 1800 in 5's is to roll with 4 DPS, including an Elemental Shaman, and just nuke the Warrior. 99.9% of the time, you'll get a kill within the first 30 seconds if you can bait him to charge, which most do. You don't even need to coordinate much.

[Mippo]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

Anything without a druid is fighting a very uphill battle in 2 vs 2, and isn't FOTM. The top tier 2vs2 teams are druid/warrior, druid/hunter, druid/warlock. Shadowpriest/rogue and icemage/rogue are strong teams only because they are very good versus druid/warrior, however, icemage/rogue is awful versus druid/warlock.

I would put Druid / Rogue over Druid / Hunter.

Druid / Warrior can do well against Mage / Rogue with the Warrior on the Rogue and the Druid kiting LOS on the mage. Whenever the Druid gets away from the Rogue, he can reapply HoT's and go back to bear form. Since the entire fight is just circling LOS, it's not that hard for the Warrior to LOS a lot of polymorphs and if he ever gets stuck, he can try to spell reflect it and just save his trinket for when the rogue blinds him.

It really is one of those fights where a lucky resist / stun can mean winning or losing and frankly, that is what I don't like.

I think random stun procs are just retarded as fuck. If a stun is part of a classes ability then that is fine but a random stun proc is a very bad idea because a lot of times it means the difference in winning or losing and it is RANDOM.

Such powerful abilities should never be random. If you think the class needs a boost, give the class a boost but don't make random shit so powerful in pvp because it takes skill out of the game. If you have an ability, and I pay attention and know you have used it, I know it's not available and should be able to use that to my advantage without being at risk of a random event occuring screwing me over.

Plus, racials have no business existing in the arena's. Why should someone get a huge benefit simply because of the race they play? How does that fit into class balance?

[rinthea]

just did a 2v2 arena where it was 4v2... good fun lol

if only i could work out how to recreate

[Rezz]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Such powerful abilities should never be random. If you think the class needs a boost, give the class a boost but don't make random shit so powerful in pvp because it takes skill out of the game. If you have an ability, and I pay attention and know you have used it, I know it's not available and should be able to use that to my advantage without being at risk of a random event occuring screwing me over.

Plus, racials have no business existing in the arena's. Why should someone get a huge benefit simply because of the race they play? How does that fit into class balance?

Yeah, racials should be blanked out during arena. Wotf in a CC heavy format such as arena is just ridiculous, as is warstomp when stuns = death in many cases.

As to effects being random, I'm 100% against stuns triggered from talents/weapons being longer than 1 second. Long enough to upset a cast or fuck a sprint up, not long enough to lolwhirlwind someone to death. Stuns are easily the most overpowered (and overused) method of instagibbing someone. Fear's a close second, but that's an entirely different can of worms.

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Plus, racials have no business existing in the arena's. Why should someone get a huge benefit simply because of the race they play? How does that fit into class balance?

++ on this. Playing my rogue perception makes me want to pull my hair out. I'm sure priests/locks feel the same about WoTF.

[Phoenix]

Hey done get mad, humans got +5 sword skill to make up for that!

[Deris]

Everyone on TTR is playing Alliance for the most part, since they have the best racials.

Stone Form, Escape Artist are both game changing, and Perception as much as you may knock it, can mean an easy win vs. any comp with a stealth.

[Kaxmax]

Not sure if you were referring to me knocking Perception, I wasn't. I'm a rogue without it on a double rogue team (Horde). A human rogue who knows what he's doing pretty much means me or my partner is eating a sap, which is basically an instant loss in any stealth match up.

[Zest]

Today we lost a game because the Druid's NS resisted two Dispels.

Right now I hate random procs as much as anyone.

[Makata]

It amuses me greatly how much people bitch about perception now with arena. For 1.5 years, if you were a rogue you were either Undead or an idiot for not being Undead and wotf was heralded as the best thing in the game while pvp flagged. I chose human for my rogue SPECIFICALLY for perception and no other reason (this was before I even knew it was good in practice; to me it just looked good on paper). I LOVED it in the 60 bg's especially when they made it not break stealth and it allowed me to rape opposing rogues/ferals without even trying. I preferred it to wotf and it didn't matter how many times and how many ways I tried to state my case, no one could see it as being useful at all. Most instead saw it as the worst pvp racial of all 8 races.

Now, human rogues are the clear winners. If I still pvp'ed on my rogue it would be the most delicious justice I could ever imagine tasting.

Turning racials off for arena is retarded. Most of us have chosen our races specifically FOR the racials. It's not like leveling a fresh 70 is at all difficult. With only a couple hours a night to play after work (tops) plus a good chunk of the weekend, I got a druid from 1 to 70 in under a month and my gear now (another month or so past 70) is more than good enough to hold my own in 1500-1800 arena and I haven't even bought a single piece of honor/arena gear. Kara epics, gems, 5 piece blue set, badge cloak, and sso head enchant has me at about 9k/9k 200resil 1500heal. Spectacular? No. Good enough to start the honor/arena grind? Yes.

If you want a racial, roll the race. Plain and simple. Alternatively, they could just pool all the racials together and let everyone choose 1 activated (wotf, perception, etc), 1 minor passive (+professions, +resists), and 1 major passive (hardiness, diplomacy, etc) racial at character creation with some very limited and very costly means of switching them afterwards. In general though, racials themselves need to stay in the game. It makes far more sense to put people on an even footing gear wise than by racials. ANY rogue has the option of being human and having perception but not everyone is going to have the chance of buying 5/5 s4. Blahblahblah deserve blahblahblah skill blahblahblah lrn2play blahblahblah if you didn't suck blahblahblah. Don't care.

[Mippo]

Originally Posted by Makata

It amuses me greatly how much people bitch about perception now with arena. For 1.5 years, if you were a rogue you were either Undead or an idiot for not being Undead and wotf was heralded as the best thing in the game while pvp flagged. I chose human for my rogue SPECIFICALLY for perception and no other reason (this was before I even knew it was good in practice; to me it just looked good on paper). I LOVED it in the 60 bg's especially when they made it not break stealth and it allowed me to rape opposing rogues/ferals without even trying. I preferred it to wotf and it didn't matter how many times and how many ways I tried to state my case, no one could see it as being useful at all. Most instead saw it as the worst pvp racial of all 8 races.

Now, human rogues are the clear winners. If I still pvp'ed on my rogue it would be the most delicious justice I could ever imagine tasting.

Turning racials off for arena is retarded. Most of us have chosen our races specifically FOR the racials. It's not like leveling a fresh 70 is at all difficult. With only a couple hours a night to play after work (tops) plus a good chunk of the weekend, I got a druid from 1 to 70 in under a month and my gear now (another month or so past 70) is more than good enough to hold my own in 1500-1800 arena and I haven't even bought a single piece of honor/arena gear. Kara epics, gems, 5 piece blue set, badge cloak, and sso head enchant has me at about 9k/9k 200resil 1500heal. Spectacular? No. Good enough to start the honor/arena grind? Yes.

If you want a racial, roll the race. Plain and simple. Alternatively, they could just pool all the racials together and let everyone choose 1 activated (wotf, perception, etc), 1 minor passive (+professions, +resists), and 1 major passive (hardiness, diplomacy, etc) racial at character creation with some very limited and very costly means of switching them afterwards. In general though, racials themselves need to stay in the game. It makes far more sense to put people on an even footing gear wise than by racials. ANY rogue has the option of being human and having perception but not everyone is going to have the chance of buying 5/5 s4. Blahblahblah deserve blahblahblah skill blahblahblah lrn2play blahblahblah if you didn't suck blahblahblah. Don't care.

Yeah I agree. I specifically rolled a Dwarf Priest when the game shipped for Fear Ward, but yeah that worked out well with Fear Ward being nerfed to 3 minutes and given to everyone. Guess what, they didn't let me rechoose my race after nerfing my racial either.

Your argument about anyone being able to roll a human for perception assumes you didn't know anyone else when you started. My guild that came from EQ decided to roll Alliance so that rules out all horde racials unless I want to leave my guild. When I left my guild after Nax, I joined with real life friends all playing on another server. Guess what, they were all Alliance which once again rules out the possibility for me to have access to a horde racial.

You like your racial, awesome for you but they still have no place in the game.

[Zest]

Most of the good Arena racials are Alliance anyway.

[Doligan]

70 in under a month and my gear now (another month or so past 70) is more than good enough to hold my own in 1500-1800 arena and I haven't even bought a single piece of honor/arena gear.

What fucking shithole of a battlegroup* do you play on?

[Zest]

You forgot to quote the part where he said it was a Druid.

[Doligan]

You forgot to quote the part where he said it was a Druid.

with 9k hp and 200 resil. He will either be in bear not healing or in caster for dying. At least from my experiences on the fabled BG 9.