WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[Thengel]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

I say bring on the arena requirements for BG gear. I wasn't sure how I felt about it at the beginning, but I'm all for it now. This will require people to either fucking improve or get the fuck out. They'll need to learn how to play, or they're not going to have anything to buy. Either is preferable to the current situation.


Thoughts?

My thoughts - arena requirements on honor gear won't change the situation in BGs. Why would it? I guess it may be a SLIGHT improvement, as you may have a few of the really bad PVPers quitting. Do you really think those who have the arena rating to qualify, the 1600 and 1700 arena teams, aren't going to just sit in AB and lose their way to the honor pieces, just like they do now? Requiring you to win a few arena games to buy the honor gear does NOT require you to win ANY Battlegrounds.

I on the other hand, take every game seriously. I always try to win. I don't have a good arena team though, I enjoy battlegrounds more. Someone like me is being cut from the equation here. I'm not BAD because I don't have a 1800-2k arena team. I won't have much incentive to queue or win BGs any more though, since I can't buy the stuff.

Mixing arena requirements and honor gear makes no sense.

[Needless]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

Quest grind, run yourself through instances when you need a nice 2h:

- Blackfathom Deep for Reef Axe / Strike of the Hydra
- Razorfen Downs for Corpsemaker
- Camp in Alterac Mountains on your mage for The Pacifier
- Kill Archaedus in Uldaman for The Rockpounder / Stoneslayer
- Quest in Feralas for Will of the Mountain Giant
- Lastly, buy Twig of the World Tree

This will take you to Outland, where you can then quest and instance to your heart's content.

Fair enough, thats a good list. Reef axe better than the quest from tranquillien though?

I may as well just quest grind with the mage anyway.. all else fails i can swap mage for my priest as well

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Zest

Ret to 36, then swap to prot and kill 3-6 guys at a time solo with zero downtime.

This.

Now get this twink shit outta my thread.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Thengel

My thoughts - arena requirements on honor gear won't change the situation in BGs. Why would it? I guess it may be a SLIGHT improvement, as you may have a few of the really bad PVPers quitting. Do you really think those who have the arena rating to qualify, the 1600 and 1700 arena teams, aren't going to just sit in AB and lose their way to the honor pieces, just like they do now? Requiring you to win a few arena games to buy the honor gear does NOT require you to win ANY Battlegrounds.

I on the other hand, take every game seriously. I always try to win. I don't have a good arena team though, I enjoy battlegrounds more. Someone like me is being cut from the equation here. I'm not BAD because I don't have a 1800-2k arena team. I won't have much incentive to queue or win BGs any more though, since I can't buy the stuff.

Mixing arena requirements and honor gear makes no sense.

Most of the people I see running around nowadays are wearing full Gladiator (Season 1) gear, full honor gear (Vindicators/vets, depending on when they started), and are not on an arena team. This is kinda baffling. It takes less than an hour a week to lose your way to about a piece every month or 2. It's significantly better gear than the garbage that these guys are wearing around right now, yet they have no desire to do it. Why? I dunno. Couldn't even fathom a guess. All of my 70 alts are on arena teams. There's no reason for them not to be. It's such a minimal time investment, even if I lose 9 games a week.

Could these people truly be the lowest common denominator? To blow 280k honor and not care one bit about speeding up the gear acquisition via other means? It certainly seems so. They MUST afk their way to their honor gear, or basically play with no idea what the strategy of the game should be because they know they're going to be rewarded for their terrible play anyway. There's no reason to bother trying to improve, they're gonna get their one mark and 100-200 honor anyway.

By the way, if you ever want some good entertainment, go grab the flag in EOTS and sit on it, and tell those fucking retards to start playing correctly. The shitstorm you start is pretty unbelievable, and even after holding the flag for 8 minutes there were still 2 people waiting in the middle, like I'm suddenly going to decide that 9 people losing the fight for the flag while our bases get swarmed is a great plan.

[The Ancient]

Even better is grabbing it and taking it to the enemy controlled tower that a few intelligent members of your team are actually attempting to take. I had so many nasty tells even though my actions basically won the game.

[Zehn - Vhex]

I've had to do that in a few WSG's as well. I usually play prot so I'm sitting there with the flag and half+ of my team will just sit on top of me. Probably 1 in 10 games I have to charge the enemy base just to get my team to go on offense.

Anyways...

A lot of people just simply hate arena's. It's pretty much taking everything horrible about pvp in WoW and making it the primary focus.

[Zest]

Playing double dps, 3dps or 4/1 makes arena much more fun... and you never have to deal with 30 minutes of Druid dueling.

[Araxen]

I hate the Arena and I won't go there unless a friend really gets on me to go. I'd much rather spend my time in AV/EOTS(my favorites), when it comes to bg's. They are alot more fun to me.

[Dumar]

whoever is in charge of wow pvp has absolutely no idea. kalgan, if he was designer of uo, is very dumb or uo was a stroke of luck (i'm inclined to say both).

whoever thought the arena system was a good idea for wow is totally inept at their job. this is no argue or debate here. he or she is just totally stupid. why?

because in a class based game (vs skill in uo for example), imbalances will always exist. paper rock scissors yes. in bgs and world pvp, this problem is minimized because of environmental or unexpected conditions, but the arena is a completely controlled environment.

arena: pvp in a controlled environment where no outside items are allowed, in a completely class based game, with no unexpected conditions to at least minimize some of the paper rock scissor effect.

the designer is.fucking.stupid.

[Simas]

Im one of those 70's with honor gear but not Arena gear.

Lead raids back in vanilla and burnt out, got to 70 after TBC and quit and a few months ago came back and play super casual now. Its pretty much a solo game for me and ill hop and do an AV/AB or 2 then go do something else.

The issue with Arena's is first id have to know people to arena with, which i dont, and i have no desire to run instances to meet people. Second arena's take much more commitment, you either have to pick a night and always play that night with your team or be on enough that you and your team can get enough games in at random times.

With the BG's and dumping previous seasons gear to honor vendors I could hop on whenever i wanted, play as much or as little as i wanted, quit at any moment w/o fucking up a team/guild and after a while pick up some new gear with bigger numbers.

With the changes coming in S4 ill most likely cancel and go back to other ways of killing an hour here and there.

[Izuldan]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Most of the people I see running around nowadays are wearing full Gladiator (Season 1) gear, full honor gear (Vindicators/vets, depending on when they started), and are not on an arena team. This is kinda baffling. It takes less than an hour a week to lose your way to about a piece every month or 2. It's significantly better gear than the garbage that these guys are wearing around right now, yet they have no desire to do it. Why? I dunno. Couldn't even fathom a guess.

Let me answer your question. It is MUCH easier to accomplish things on your own than to coordinate an effort, even a losing effort, with another individual, let alone 4 other people.

For the true casual player, it is very easy to log on, queue up for a few BGs, and get honor points. Remember, a true casual player is only going to be on maybe 1 or 2 hours a night.

It's gonna take effort to find someone with the same play schedule. Not all of us play in large guilds or with a group of RL friends. I'm sure plenty are playing WoW with few contacts.

So if you are playing 1 or 2 hours a night, you need to find someone to play in the same time window as you. Then you have to hope you and that other person isn't planning on doing anything else, like dailies or maybe an instance. You also have to hope you can play out your 10 losses in one night, or else you are going to have to coordinate playing arenas on more than one day.

And that's just for the 2v2 bracket. Imagine coordinated that now for the 3v3 or 5v5.....it's tough.

If arena had a 1v1 category, then yes, you would see a TON more people in arena gear. For casual players, the rate limiting step is finding that other person with similar playtimes and playstyles.....and you can also argue for that matter that if you are playing only a few hours a night, then there is no urgency to have arena gear over honor gear. What exactly are you doing to do with it anyways?

[TheCutlery]

You guys don't have ANY friends?

Seriously?

Not 1?

I work overnights. I start at midnight, I get home between 10am and 2pm, depending on the day. I sleep from 4-11pm. I'm not online through the entire prime time, all of my friends work days, and yet I have time to run 2, maybe 3 teams a week, depending on if my green geared hunter is enough of a priority to lose 10 games on, slowly.

If you can't find an hour a week with someone else, well, shit son, the MMO is not for you. I hear Mario Kart is pretty awesome.

[Korioni]

I learned not to make friends in MMO's during EQ... I get a guild and make friendly acquaintances, but there hasn't been a person in 3 years that I would log on and automatically start talking to/grouping with. With friends comes more responsibility to do things that I may not want to do at the time. Obligation to help or give free things or spend time. Just not going to happen any more.


edit: And you're right. MMO's have become far less appealing to me. But I've always attributed that more to MMO's hitting the mainstream population than anything else.

[Needless]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

I hear Mario Kart is pretty awesome.

you heard wrong my friend. Wrong wrong wrong.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

Quest grind, run yourself through instances when you need a nice 2h:

- Blackfathom Deep for Reef Axe / Strike of the Hydra
- Razorfen Downs for Corpsemaker
- Camp in Alterac Mountains on your mage for The Pacifier
- Kill Archaedus in Uldaman for The Rockpounder / Stoneslayer
- Quest in Feralas for Will of the Mountain Giant
- Lastly, buy Twig of the World Tree

This will take you to Outland, where you can then quest and instance to your heart's content.

You can't two-box Uldaman. Three people are required to channel that pillar to open the door to the last boss.