WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO - Page 34

Zehn - Vhex · 05-02-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zerai

Yes. Warriors have nice skills besides MS, but MS is the one skill we can't live without.

Other classes have better survivability (near all of them). Running out steam is nice, but rogues do it better.

Our fear is on a 3 min cooldown. It's nice but it's not anything amazing.

If they gave every class an MS, I'd say you'd see warriors as one of the least used classes.

I don't like the situation either as a warrior.

If they give every class an MS you might as well just remove healers from the arena to begin with.

Nerf MS to 20%.

Doligan · 05-02-2008, 08:09 AM

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If they gave every class an MS, I'd say you'd see warriors as one of the least used classes.

As long as rogues are popular, warriors will be desirable.

Zerai · 05-02-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

If they give every class an MS you might as well just remove healers from the arena to begin with.

Nerf MS to 20%.

Comes down again to stacking. Without MS a warrior doesn't have the DPS to kill anything with a healer. On their own. It becomes dominant as you add other DPS classes on that MS that can actually dps.

TheCutlery · 05-02-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

If they give every class an MS you might as well just remove healers from the arena to begin with.

Nerf MS to 20%.

What kills healers then?

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Originally Posted by Doligan

As long as rogues are popular, warriors will be desirable.

Warriors don't control rogues that well now. With Shadowstep being what it is and no way to really effectively stop the rogue from attacking anyone else, pretty much anyone else can get a rogue off your healer better.

Gnome Eater · 05-02-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Zerai

Comes down again to stacking. Without MS a warrior doesn't have the DPS to kill anything with a healer. On their own. It becomes dominant as you add other DPS classes on that MS that can actually dps.

That's really dumb in 2's you don't kill anyone by doing more damage than they can possibly heal, you do kill them by crowd controlling their healer or running him out of mana.

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Warriors don't control rogues that well now. With Shadowstep being what it is and no way to really effectively stop the rogue from attacking anyone else, pretty much anyone else can get a rogue off your healer better.

Rogues control warriors excellently. Make sure your partner knows how to play with you though - intercept the rogue, hamstring, during the intercept the druid shapeshifts out of the snare and runs away. If the rogue keeps trying to chase the druid, then the warrior gets free reign to dump DPS into the rogue's back without dodge, if the rogue switches to melee you, just shield and sword during his evasion, then to to toe him down. Don't make the mistake of trying to go all out in berserker versus a rogue who is blowing all his cooldowns.

Araxen · 05-02-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCutlery

What kills healers then?

Warriors don't control rogues that well now. With Shadowstep being what it is and no way to really effectively stop the rogue from attacking anyone else, pretty much anyone else can get a rogue off your healer better.

When I came back to WoW a 4 months ago I couldn't believe they gave gave rogue's shadowstep. Like they needed blink...

Zehn - Vhex · 05-02-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCutlery

What kills healers then?

People with skill as opposed to a stiff breeze.

Thengel · 05-02-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

Make sure your partner knows how to play with you though - intercept the rogue, hamstring, during the intercept the druid shapeshifts out of the snare and runs away. If the rogue keeps trying to chase the druid,

You've just assumed all healers are druids. Not a terrible assumption given the current state of things, but still...

Mageling · 05-02-2008, 10:24 AM

So what is the current state of Holy Pallys in arenas? I've respecced Holy recently and have had fun in BGs, but would like something a bit different. Are they only viable in 5's or can you do decently in 2's and 3's?

Zehn - Vhex · 05-02-2008, 10:26 AM

2's and 3's not really. 5's you have a little more room though. Retadin does okay in 3's though.

The Ancient · 05-02-2008, 10:29 AM

Holy Paladins perform adequately in 2's and 3's. They aren't as good as priests are druids, but you aren't going to lose every game just because you are playing Holy Paladin.

Mageling · 05-02-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

2's and 3's not really. 5's you have a little more room though. Retadin does okay in 3's though.

This makes me cry a little inside since I just decided to leave being the "token" Retadin for my guild after being pissed that I had to spend so much time validating my raid spot and telling them they were being fucking stupid when they didn't stack groups. Good thing they exploded after making it half way through T6 content!

I digress though.

I might have to try to find myself a decent 2's or 3's team sometime soon-ish after a server transfer to somewhere that isn't a backwater low population shithole.

TheCutlery · 05-02-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

People with skill as opposed to a stiff breeze.

Oh come on.

Lets leave rogues out of this, because they're fucking bullshit. A holy paladin stands in one spot and chains FOL on himself for the next 5 minutes. You pummel every 5th one, it doesn't matter, he outheals your damage. Shaman do the exact same shit.

A priest runs around with Renew, PW:S and PoM on himself, he never drops below 80% unless he's undergeared or retarded.

Druids run to the other side of the arena behind a pillar, heal to full and come back to cyclone you.

Healing is so fucking overpowered in the arenas right now. Between massive healing and drinking, every fucking match is turning into this 9 minute long ordeal. It's not fun, it's not skill, it's entirely a matter of who gets bored first.

darksensei · 05-02-2008, 10:50 AM

I've reached 2100 with warrior/pally 2's, and a friend is a 2300 warrior pally 2's. That said it's not a very strong combo. Ret can be okay for 2s and 3s, I've seen a couple around 2-2.2k, but I'm not sure who their partner is.

Zehn - Vhex · 05-02-2008, 10:53 AM

You're right, heaven fucking forbid a healer be allowed to do his job. Hitting them should cause them to explode in a shower of pale, limp-wristed blood.

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05-02-2008, 10:24 AM	#504 (permalink)
Mageling Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 200 -2 Internets	So what is the current state of Holy Pallys in arenas? I've respecced Holy recently and have had fun in BGs, but would like something a bit different. Are they only viable in 5's or can you do decently in 2's and 3's?

05-02-2008, 10:26 AM	#505 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,413 +61 Internets	2's and 3's not really. 5's you have a little more room though. Retadin does okay in 3's though.

05-02-2008, 10:50 AM	#509 (permalink)
darksensei Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 871 +1 Internets	I've reached 2100 with warrior/pally 2's, and a friend is a 2300 warrior pally 2's. That said it's not a very strong combo. Ret can be okay for 2s and 3s, I've seen a couple around 2-2.2k, but I'm not sure who their partner is.

05-02-2008, 10:53 AM	#510 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,413 +61 Internets	You're right, heaven fucking forbid a healer be allowed to do his job. Hitting them should cause them to explode in a shower of pale, limp-wristed blood.