WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO - Page 32

Zehn - Vhex · 05-01-2008, 04:50 PM

They should definitely add stats to the librams and whatnot, but the unique effects can be nice. The Paladin ones at least are pretty nifty.

Brad2770 · 05-01-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerai

I'll take recklessness please.

yeah, BM hunters go crazy with their shit every 2 (3?) minutes and we wait 30 minutes. What I wouldnt give for recklessness in Arenas.

Zest · 05-01-2008, 07:12 PM

Warriors need it too. They're so under represented in Arenas right now..........

Rezz · 05-01-2008, 07:15 PM

If warriors didn't scale so well with gear and -healing being so important, you wouldn't see them in arenas nearly as much. The problem of course arises from doing anything to negatively impact them in their already precarious role on raids.

Zerai · 05-01-2008, 10:06 PM

If warriors didn't have MS, you wouldn't see them barely at all.

Our DPS isn't as good as other classes. We have some nice burst, but still no where near the top. Our survivability is pretty shitty. We can turtle..but our normal dps mode we take more damage than anyone else. So passive damage like DoTs rape us the most. We have no protection from spells besides spell reflect which is on a huge cooldown and very obvious. And requires a shield so you're already in turtle mode.

Warriors are nice, but the only reason they are there is MS. It's our one trick. Thats why warriors get annoyed when other classes get it.

Zehn - Vhex · 05-01-2008, 11:25 PM

And hamstring.

chu · 05-01-2008, 11:26 PM

And fear.

WarderX · 05-01-2008, 11:30 PM

Enh, not really. I've personally taken raid geared pve spec fury warrior + raid gear pve spec druid to like 1820. I'm sure someone silly has done fury to 2k.

Warrior's greatest strength in arena isn't MS, it's never running out of steam- not being limited by mana or cooldowns, just being able to put constant pressure on people at all times and force them to play defensively the entire match. Every other dps runs out of mana or cooldowns except warlocks, who also have it tough, they have to make sure they are face rolling in the general vicinity of their keyboard.

Zehn - Vhex · 05-01-2008, 11:32 PM

Oh, and intimidating shout isn't too bad. I mean it's not great, but hey...

Zehn - Vhex · 05-01-2008, 11:32 PM

Oh yeah, the whole not being susceptable to the PI'd priest mana burn gimp train kinda help them too.

Antoine · 05-01-2008, 11:38 PM

Don't forget having a massive advantage over other physical DPS due to demo/battle shout

chu · 05-01-2008, 11:40 PM

It's tough to say but I do think warriors without MS effect (but the skill component still intact) would still be used plenty for the very reasons that Warder just pointed out. And never underestimate fear. It's so clutch and can be a fight winner quite frequently.

Makata · 05-02-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jubee

Well shields are considerably better than offhands. The extra cost comes from the 6000 armor which isn't anything to sneeze at .. Of course the 2 healing classes that have to use off-hands are exponentially more durable than the 2 healing classes with their 6k armor shields.

So in other words, they're paying extra for something that doesn't even give them an advantage. Great fucking logic there, Ace. Paladins and shamans are balanced around having a shield. Penalizing them for using one makes no sense whatsoever. It's one of the reasons the horseshit idea that is the 1k hunter axe is so mind-bogglingly stupid. Wands are quite literally nothing but stats to casters and provide very little of that. The hunter axe provides a very high damage potential for when hunters are in melee range (and they will be) not to mention coming standard with 3-4 times as much stat allocation as a shitty wand .. yet they cost the same price / rating req. Most retarded move Blizzard has ever done concerning arena.

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Originally Posted by Frax

They need to drop the restriction on only allowing < 10 minute CD abilities to be used as well.

Are you out of your fucking mind?

Trifle · 05-02-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Makata

It's one of the reasons the horseshit idea that is the 1k hunter axe is so mind-bogglingly stupid. Wands are quite literally nothing but stats to casters and provide very little of that. The hunter axe provides a very high damage potential for when hunters are in melee range (and they will be) not to mention coming standard with 3-4 times as much stat allocation as a shitty wand .. yet they cost the same price / rating req. Most retarded move Blizzard has ever done concerning arena.

This is pretty retarded. While its true that a 2hander has a big stat advantage over a wand, its also true that a staff has a big stat advantage over a bow, so it works out basically even.

And while raptor strike crits look impressive with a big 2hander, you have to remember that the highest rank of raptor strike is only +170 damage on next hit. Its not an instant attack, so ignoring the extra crit if you have it talented, raptor strike is a massive ~28 dps (pre-armour) extra over just using auto attack.

Northerner · 05-02-2008, 01:47 AM

Raptor strike has a big advantage from being loaded by swing time though. No, not a big advantage over an auto-attack really but hey, Hunters will take it.

I mean, really, you are going to Raptor/Wingclip and get the fuck out anyhow in general so having a 99999 speed weapon would be ideal. Being non-instant is essentially moot as you are not staying in melee range (or at least not staying there doing melee attacks) so the delay and next-hit status doesn't mean shit. Raptor is already going to be your first and only attack other than WC.

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05-01-2008, 04:50 PM	#466 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	They should definitely add stats to the librams and whatnot, but the unique effects can be nice. The Paladin ones at least are pretty nifty.

05-01-2008, 07:12 PM	#468 (permalink)
Zest Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 715	Warriors need it too. They're so under represented in Arenas right now..........

05-01-2008, 10:06 PM	#470 (permalink)
Zerai ~ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: An Igloo Posts: 2,942 -5 Internets	If warriors didn't have MS, you wouldn't see them barely at all. Our DPS isn't as good as other classes. We have some nice burst, but still no where near the top. Our survivability is pretty shitty. We can turtle..but our normal dps mode we take more damage than anyone else. So passive damage like DoTs rape us the most. We have no protection from spells besides spell reflect which is on a huge cooldown and very obvious. And requires a shield so you're already in turtle mode. Warriors are nice, but the only reason they are there is MS. It's our one trick. Thats why warriors get annoyed when other classes get it.

05-01-2008, 11:25 PM	#471 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	And hamstring.

05-01-2008, 11:26 PM	#472 (permalink)
chu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,090 -38 Internets	And fear.

05-01-2008, 11:30 PM	#473 (permalink)
WarderX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,593 +1 Internets	Enh, not really. I've personally taken raid geared pve spec fury warrior + raid gear pve spec druid to like 1820. I'm sure someone silly has done fury to 2k. Warrior's greatest strength in arena isn't MS, it's never running out of steam- not being limited by mana or cooldowns, just being able to put constant pressure on people at all times and force them to play defensively the entire match. Every other dps runs out of mana or cooldowns except warlocks, who also have it tough, they have to make sure they are face rolling in the general vicinity of their keyboard.

05-01-2008, 11:32 PM	#474 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	Oh, and intimidating shout isn't too bad. I mean it's not great, but hey...

05-01-2008, 11:32 PM	#475 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	Oh yeah, the whole not being susceptable to the PI'd priest mana burn gimp train kinda help them too.

05-01-2008, 11:38 PM	#476 (permalink)
Antoine Tells it like it is Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 596 -19 Internets	Don't forget having a massive advantage over other physical DPS due to demo/battle shout

05-01-2008, 11:40 PM	#477 (permalink)
chu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,090 -38 Internets	It's tough to say but I do think warriors without MS effect (but the skill component still intact) would still be used plenty for the very reasons that Warder just pointed out. And never underestimate fear. It's so clutch and can be a fight winner quite frequently.

05-02-2008, 01:47 AM	#480 (permalink)
Northerner Shiny Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,064 -14 Internets	Raptor strike has a big advantage from being loaded by swing time though. No, not a big advantage over an auto-attack really but hey, Hunters will take it. I mean, really, you are going to Raptor/Wingclip and get the fuck out anyhow in general so having a 99999 speed weapon would be ideal. Being non-instant is essentially moot as you are not staying in melee range (or at least not staying there doing melee attacks) so the delay and next-hit status doesn't mean shit. Raptor is already going to be your first and only attack other than WC.