WOW, Season 4. Arena or GTFO

[l0z]

I would think that unless Blizzard starts allowing all classes to roll at the level that DK's start (after they're unlocked), then there will be a metric fuckton of DKs.

[Rezz]

All the lolstep rogues will go away for a little while.

[spronk]

I just wonder if Blizz is gonna do something to keep healers interested in playing their current class... otherwise we'll see a lot of "4 DKs lf1m healer"

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by spronk

I just wonder if Blizz is gonna do something to keep healers interested in playing their current class.

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this one. They won't do a thing, unless by some bizarre coincidence they happen to hire whoever designed the Vanguard healing classes.

PS: I just came across a very nice post detailed what Blizzard's doing with arena and the possible results over on the official forums; take a look.

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[Miele]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this one. They won't do a thing, unless by some bizarre coincidence they happen to hire whoever designed the Vanguard healing classes.

PS: I just came across a very nice post detailed what Blizzard's doing with arena and the possible results over on the official forums; take a look.

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Indeed, but the 2 mentioned games, aoc and war, have to deliver or people will just bore themselves in wow doing dailies, woo hoo!
I think arena is a disgrace and should die before wrath of the leet king. Sadly it will not happen, and funny pvp fights like old AV, even with all its problems, will never see the light.
Shit they could have made a dozen BGs by now, make the weekly bonus honor to rotate them and reduce queue times and they'd be ok. Hell, just make a single queue, a person can choose what to join when it pops up. No, they have the same BGs of 3 years ago and 3 fantastic small boxes to hug pillars within.

As someone said: they made a huge wonderful fantasy world, now they want us to fight in a box. They can go diaf.

[Maxxius]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

. . . PS: I just came across a very nice post detailed what Blizzard's doing with arena and the possible results over on the official forums; take a look.

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Link was to a very well thought out and written post. Kind of a waste to do on the WOW forum.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this one. They won't do a thing, unless by some bizarre coincidence they happen to hire whoever designed the Vanguard healing classes.

PS: I just came across a very nice post detailed what Blizzard's doing with arena and the possible results over on the official forums; take a look.

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Yeah thats a good post.

I've been thinking about what I'd like to see from WoLK. The pvp aspect is one thing.

Heres what I think is the root cause.

Group combat is bad. Its too one dimensional and could do with a complete revamp. Healing is so boring its not funny. Combat & classes are ok for soloing, which is the majority of the game. But group combat is grossly lacking depth. It needs to be upgraded from vanilla WoW. Its years old and outdated.

It will be disappointing if WoLK comes out and everything looks awesome but combat is still the same old shit. I'm never playing my paladin until flash of light spam is gone.

Combat could be made a hell of a lot more interesting. But I cant help but get this feeling they're loathe to change it incase they mess with the sacred 'balance'.

[Arbitrary]

I know that I totally, totally, resent changes to the classes I play that are made because of PvP balance. In the case of trying to play a Druid, nerfs were made solely because of 2v2 and 3v3 and they affected me in every aspect of the entire fucking game.

[Lucifar]

Yet some people love healing.

What you really mean is that you're bored by healing.

You could make an equally compelling argument as to why any class or role is boring.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Lucifar

Yet some people love healing.

What you really mean is that you're bored by healing.

You could make an equally compelling argument as to why any class or role is boring.

Its not just healing. I actually enjoy healing if its done well. In WoW it isnt done well. Group combat sucks balls.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

I'm pretty sure I have the answer to this one. They won't do a thing, unless by some bizarre coincidence they happen to hire whoever designed the Vanguard healing classes.

PS: I just came across a very nice post detailed what Blizzard's doing with arena and the possible results over on the official forums; take a look.

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I like the point about the Ruins of Lorderon arena. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. Who wants to wager we'll see an Icecrown Glacier arena complete with druids using Frostmourne to break LoS.

[Northerner]

The number of DKs I humbly predict will be way, way beyond what is even pessimistically expected. Their numbers will dwarf hunters.

Seriously, a 2-hander based melee dps class that can situationally tank and just oozes cool kiddy factor as well? Oh, and it starts not at level 1 and is by definition a "hero" class? All during a gear reset that is confirming that each expansion is essentially a wipe. What the fuck is going to hold back the throngs?

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

I like the point about the Ruins of Lorderon arena. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. Who wants to wager we'll see an Icecrown Glacier arena complete with druids using Frostmourne to break LoS.

LoS is completely required for balance reasons, without it you'd see ice mages/hunters absolutely dominate everyone.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by dak

Not to mention the fact that they are DEATH KNIGHTS rather than big blue chain heal bots.

...because Shadowknights were so popular in EQ, amirite?

SKs will be FotM for three to six months, then drop in numbers dramatically. Especially if Blizzard do what I suspect they will, and introduce them slightly behind the power curve 'just in case'.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

I like the point about the Ruins of Lorderon arena. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. Who wants to wager we'll see an Icecrown Glacier arena complete with druids using Frostmourne to break LoS.

I'm following that thread linked above and noticed your (Zehn) post commenting on the PvE side, which is right on the spot: it seems that WoW is heading in a direction where not "the masses", but the totally retarded can enjoy them during their lunch breaks and come out with "rewards".

Honestly, if it's possible to make an involving PvE game without catering to the game-impaired people, I'd be all for it. For how much Zehn hates nostalgia effects (especially if EQ related), I'm going to point out one thing: I bet a lot more thought has been put in the creation of Blackrock Spire than in the entirety of TBC.
We're talking concentrated awesomeness: epic feeling, storyline, magnificent area design from the entrance itself and its surrounding zones to the placement of every boss inside a storyline that made fucking sense and was cool, this both for 5 and 10-15 men up to 40 men raids. Hard to do better, yes? They sure as hell didn't even try.

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