Greatest MMO features that somehow never got copied

[Menoz]

Originally Posted by Sunder

I hope Zhen gets around to responding properly to this faggotry, but I'll give the Cliff's Notes version:

All the things you just listed about what made EQ so great are things that actually drove people away from the game once a viable alternative was available. Two hour corpse camps makes your shiney new weapon more valuable? Maybe, but I don't play games as an investment strategy. I play them for fun. Two hour corpse camps were NOT fun. Clearing massive amounts of respawns for hours on end was NOT fun.

As for the culling of the weak argument, do something besides Karazhan sometime. You'll see what culling of the weak truly is. I'll give you a hint: 5/10-man content isn't supposed to the end-all be-all of game-mechanics-knowledge required content.

I know more about endgame wow than you think. It's the same as endgame EQ, but instead of doing CRs you're simply throwing out more attempts. I'll let you be the judge of fun, but I'll have to choose neither.

I just get tired of hearing all the praise for WoW, when it's just cartoon EQ on adderall. And that's only at the endgame. The first 69 levels of WoW are a joke. Fucking question marks over npc heads? They might as well give you the xp when you click on them.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by Menoz

I know more about endgame wow than you think. It's the same as endgame EQ, but instead of doing CRs you're simply throwing out more attempts. I'll let you be the judge of fun, but I'll have to choose neither.

I just get tired of hearing all the praise for WoW, when it's just cartoon EQ on adderall. And that's only at the endgame. The first 69 levels of WoW are a joke. Fucking question marks over npc heads? They might as well give you the xp when you click on them.

As much as I love EQ, the whole click your own adventure should be in every mmo.

Hail A Dragoon:
Text scrolls, look for keyword.

/what is the fuck I need to kill../who is the fuck I need to kill../where is the fuck I need to kill../when is the fuck I need to kill.

More text scrolls..look for the keyword and repeat...DAMMIT!

That should give xp...

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Menoz

Fucking question marks over npc heads? They might as well give you the xp when you click on them.

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[Duppin]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

But since you have the option of doing it faster, you say "Fuck this noise" and just do it faster.

There may be arguments for slower paced gameplay. But "So we can chat!" isn't one of them.

You should google the term "Hobson's choice" sometime.

I think you'd find it instructive.

[Digits]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

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He's probably making a retarded point that !'s are easy mode and true skill is poking around for keywords while ignoring that they are incredibly detracting from gameplay. Having an npc tell you a completely one sided story about why you should help him out is trash compared to actually engaging an npc in dialogue with give and take. It allows for infinite amount more character and life in the npc (how many WoW quest npcs do you remember? I remember that guy who dies to Onyxia in Stormwind and Nesingwary because he always had dumb bullshit to say) because of the interaction. Hunting for brackets is as user unfriendly as you can get when trying to deliver content, and this is why I support EQ2s branching dialogue system. Even at it's worst there is at least some level of interaction that does something to add flavor and mask the tedious x of y factor.

Fallout and Planescape ought to be the standard for mmo conversing with npcs, but I digress.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Digits

Fallout and Planescape ought to be the standard for mmo conversing with npcs, but I digress.

./mourn Black Isle.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Digits

Fallout and Planescape ought to be the standard for mmo conversing with npcs, but I digress.

I agree, but only if it means something. If it's just flavor that ends up with the same conclusion no matter what then it doesn't mean much. I guess the delivery would be better.. I mean if you are going to collect 10 bear asses either way, then I guess being able to ask why you want some bear asses would be cool. And you could have the 'screw the talking, lets fight' option that those types of games had as well for those who just click through the text.

I'd love to see a more true RPG dialogue system that actually let you use speech skills and more to alter quests or even skip them but I just don't see it happening in a mainstream MMO.

[Duppin]

I hope that some game actually implements a quest to collect bear asses.

[Fog]

I guess the question is - do you want to actually do the gameplay, or do you want to roleplay and/or read all the mediocre storyline-quest-text?

I'm the former. Please, let me safely ignore paying attention to the quests so that I can go fight some cool enemies with my group and level up. They are still there for you to read if you want to, exclamation points over heads or no exclamation points over heads.

[Jaytee Bushwacker]

I'm in total agreement about the folks saying where is the LFG tool in WOW. How is it something as simple as that LFG tool isn't in the most successful MMO to date? The spires thingies were simply a poorly thought out implementation of a LFG system. Think about it, you didn't even know who was LFG you just magically at some point got stuck into a group (if anyone else ever clicked on the things).

LFG tool should be a standard MMO tool. It should only take about - oh a couple days of a real programmers time to implement properly. Make it happen =)

[Twobit Whore]

Yeah, if this were a 'things never to copy' thread then meeting stones v1.0 would top the list. I used it once.. and was instantly grouped with 3 hunters.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Thanks for the read Duppin, sums up a lot of the EQ mentality quite nicely.

Anyways...

I was going to respond to soulrot's post, but like I said, pretty much a litany of the standard "EQ WAS GREAT!!" posts. Death penalty/community/meainingful gampelay fap fap fap.

I mean ultimately Kreu put it best when talking about dumar. Some people just enjoy having someone shit on their chest. I can point out how disgusting that is all I like. Won't make them not jerk off to german scat porn any less.

[Duppin]

Maybe it thought that was the group you deserved to be in?

I kid, I kid.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Duppin

Maybe it thought that was the group you deserved to be in?

I kid, I kid.

Actually I probably did deserve it since I was the 4th hunter in the group.

[simeon]

I remember somebody saying this a long time ago - don't remember who it was and I'm too lazy to search these boards, but basically the premise was that these are the general feelings:
EQ: You start as a man to then become a king.
WoW: You start as a king to then become a god.

Simply, with the exception of raids/instances, there's nothing to fear in the open world in WoW - plain and simple. There are just no feelings being invoked by the world in contrast to the likes of being a cleric in FM praying to raptor jesus that you can get to your camp at fort without being seen by one of the roaming giants. They were giants, you can feel them and hear them coming, and you feared the shit out of that. Yes, the world shakes when one of those KoS Kodos comes near you in WoW, but you don't give a shit because you walk for 8 more seconds and you're gtg like nothing happened. If those same kodos had the ability to rip your shit in half, you become a lot more aware of your surroundings and start to give a shit when environmental things happen such as the ground shaking when something comes near.