[WOW] Glider author lawsuit

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Is that really relevant? If I steal a candy bar at 7-11, do I become liable for the costs of their video surveillance systems?

Liable? No.. The reason that prices in the store go up to cover the costs? Yes.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by Daerath

I'd bet that those 465000 complains are not centered on an equal number of bots.

Oh, I bet it's a lot closer then you imagine. Think about it for a minute. A game that has had 7+ million users over years, which has continued to climb in subs to over 10 million currently. If you include churn rates in there I'd be willing to bet that number of botters could easily be equal to, or greater than, the number of frustrated people who quit and site it as their reason for quitting.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Fury

Oh, I bet it's a lot closer then you imagine. Think about it for a minute. A game that has had 7+ million users over years, which has continued to climb in subs to over 10 million currently. If you include churn rates in there I'd be willing to bet that number of botters could easily be equal to, or greater than, the number of frustrated people who quit and site it as their reason for quitting.

And then theres the bigger picture:

over 100,000 licenses for Glider have been sold to date. How many of those are likely being shared by botting farmers and leveling companies? The potentials could be quite staggering.

[Hachima]

Glider wasn't the only botting software around. So how can they prove it was his bots that caused the problems? Or what % of botters were using his particular software.

Anyway the whole financial loss point is irrelevant if his program wasn't violating any laws.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Glider wasn't the only botting software around. So how can they prove it was his bots that caused the problems? Or what % of botters were using his particular software.

Anyway the whole financial loss point is irrelevant if his program wasn't violating any laws.

Well, that remains to be determined. I think the specifics of what Blizzard cites that glider violates in thier summary judgement motion are pretty clear. What other bot makers have made in excess of $1m from the programs they've provided? Blizzard had to start somewhere, so they started with the biggest problem. The guy sold in excess of 100k licenses to the program. That much has been confirmed.

[chu]

Originally Posted by Bongk

you dont have to "prove" anything in civil court. Did the browns "prove" OJ killed nicole brown? It is all based on the preponderance (sp) of evidence.

Now you're being retarded. I guess he can also claim that someone from Blizzard raped his mother and it'll stay in court right? Stupid speculations will not be heard in court unless it comes with proof.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Rayne

And then theres the bigger picture:

over 100,000 licenses for Glider have been sold to date. How many of those are likely being shared by botting farmers and leveling companies? The potentials could be quite staggering.

Cant use the same glider key for multiple instances of the program.

[forge]

I really can't see how blizzard could possible win this. You can't prove that the glider bot made anyone quit. For everyone that clicked the I quit because of bots. There's 15 other bots out there besides glider. For every person you find that clicked on quiting because of bots you can find a person to testify in court that they randomly clicked on something in the list. Any evidence you have which said bots are ruining the economy, you can get 10 people to line up in court saying the only reason they continued to play through naxx era was because of bots farming resources for their guilds. People can't tell the difference between glider and randombot02 in game. So you can't pin glider for anyone caught in game running a bot. It might be true that tons of people got banned for running glider(mem check mass banning). But then you also can't link anyone to using the bot with a complaint since they were auto banned and not fished out by GMs. How exactly is blizzard proving all their woes are from glider again?

[Punko]

How could blizzard lose this ?

Do you really believe they cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that they suffered losses due to Glider ?

That Glider has no other function then an illegal one ?

If its proven that the guy sold 100k licenses, he is going to lose the money from that, then some extra for the unaccounted ones, and then some for the act of setting up this activity itself.

To bad your courts don't work faster

[Hachima]

Is the function of Glider really illegal though?

[Aetos]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

Cant use the same glider key for multiple instances of the program.

Yes, you can, so long as they are located from the same IP address. And if any of you have noticed since this law suit was started over two years ago the name of his website changed from wowglider to mmoglider. And also glider no longer starts wow for you so that argument is doesn't stand either.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Is the function of Glider really illegal though?

Not sure what you mean but no. They are in civil court so he is not breaking any laws at the moment. Read the actualy court links above, it's pretty cool stuff.

Blizzard will not be able to prove he broke any copywrite laws(since he didn't) so that is dead in the water. The main crux of the case is that he caused them financial harm as well....and he may or may not have. Honestly, none of us fucking know regardless of what people post on this page.

To my knowledge no one, including Blizzard, has any idea exactly how many people quit specifically because of "botting" let alone this particular botting program. And IF they knew that number, how many people banned went out and bought a new copy thus making Blizzard money....and above and beyond all of the strict math, who could possibly determine how much "harm" was caused by ruining(if it indeed did) the ingame ecomony, health, and longevity of the game.

There is a slight chance Blizzard could win, after all money goes a long way in the court room if this gets that far, but how much they win is a topic I would love to see.

[Punko]

Originally Posted by Aetos

And if any of you have noticed since this law suit was started over two years ago the name of his website changed from wowglider to mmoglider. And also glider no longer starts wow for you so that argument is doesn't stand either.

You can be sure he changed the name, so that the argument that Glider is only for WoW, which has a EULA not allowing such hence making it illegal, doesn't hold.

You can't spread software with only one use, when that use is forbidden in the only way the software can be used, that much I know. Selling it is illegal.

Doubt whether changing name will have much effect.

[Twobit Whore]

I don't think Blizzard cares about the amount of money they recieve but more about stopping this guy and setting a precedent to use in future cases should they arise.

[Aetos]

Originally Posted by Punko

You can be sure he changed the name, so that the argument that Glider is only for WoW, which has a EULA not allowing such hence making it illegal, doesn't hold.

You can't spread software with only one use, when that use is forbidden in the only way the software can be used, that much I know. Selling it is illegal.

Doubt whether changing name will have much effect.

But if you read the legal documents you will see that the bot was written before there was ever anything about bots in the TOS and EULA. And im not sure if its the argument that glider is only for wow, which it is, but i think it was because using wow in the name is some part of the copyright