[WOW] Glider author lawsuit

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Flight

I find it hilarious that Blizzard are taking the morale high ground.

Their history with warden and similar programs on user machines, historically without user knowledge or permission, was one of - if not the - biggest example of invasive software in the industries history.

Apart from the minor detail that Warden (etc) have been part of the EULA since the year dot?

[gnomad]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Except, you know, the case which Blizzard had previously won which set precedent that their EULA is a legally-binding contract?


So breach of contract has no legal ramifications?

Maybe you need to go back and review the decision that you quote. It had nothing to do with EULA violation it was a copyright violation and that is totally different, but of course you knew that (yeah right).

Breach of contract may or may not have legal ramifacations, depends on the contract.

Just had a thought after reading all the comments.

Why didin't Blizzard sue Microsoft since Windows loads WOW into memory so that it can function or Apple and OSX. Sounds basically the same, going after someone that wrote a program that loads their program so that it can function...Guess they don't want their collective dicks handed to them by the big boys.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Rayne

You really are fucking dense. So i'm finished wasting my time on your stupidity. Its as easy as connect-the-dots to see what this guy winning will lead to. I guess connect-the-dots is just too hard for you.

Yes its easy to "connect the dots" when its based solely on your failed ability to understand what impact this will have on botting/farming as a whole. Or obviously the minuscule impact a specific bot has on the this problem to begin with.This isnt about bots or farmers or RMTing. Its about someone profiting from WoW and vivendi not liking that.

This lawsuit will in no fashion regardless of the outcome have fuckall to do with how many farmers or bots exist in their game. The scope of the lawsuit is the infringement of blizzards copyright. To think in any way shape or form this is somehow going to set a precedent allowing bots to exists regardless of what blizzard says is laughable at best.

Its best not to attempt to connect the dots if you are a fucking moron.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by gnomad

Why didin't Blizzard sue Microsoft since Windows loads WOW into memory so that it can function. Sounds basically the same, going after someone that wrote a program that loads their program so that it can function...

Holy shit, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

[gnomad]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Holy shit, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

No dumber then the lawsuit actually....They are going after a little guy that wrote a loader gee where is the difference oh great knowledgeable computer god Twobit?? NONE Asshole.

[Twobit Whore]

The difference, moron, is that Glider doesn't load WoW into memory so it can function. It loads WoW into memory to circumvent Warden. Seriously, just don't say anything if that's the best thought you can muster.

[Malakriss]

Originally Posted by gnomad

Why didin't Blizzard sue Microsoft since Windows loads WOW into memory so that it can function. Sounds basically the same, going after someone that wrote a program that loads their program so that it can function...

Your argument is flawed because it you're literally arguing that every computer that runs a program is illegal unless we have a handwritten permission slip from Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. It's a hierarchical scheme of IP ownership and copyright, with some permissions granted and others explicitly forbidden and criminalized.

Windows allows programs, skins, etc to be developed for their OS, but they don't allow people to do whatever they like with the OS or their code.
Blizzard allows UIs to be developed for their game, but they don't allow people to do whatever they like with the game or their code.

They faulted on the program level of the hierarchy, doesn't mean that everything above it is faulty as well.

[8ounce]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

This lawsuit will in no fashion regardless of the outcome have fuckall to do with how many farmers or bots exist in their game.

WoWglider made 2.5 mill at 25$ a pop. That equals 100 thousand bots. Now outa that 100 thou how many do you think would of had the knowledge, time and willingness to write thier own bot program?
Now think about the incentive of profit (the biggest motivator of all) and how many more bot programs would pop out. Better programs with actual marketing and advertising budgets like ige.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

Yes its easy to "connect the dots" when its based solely on your failed ability to understand what impact this will have on botting/farming as a whole. Or obviously the minuscule impact a specific bot has on the this problem to begin with.This isnt about bots or farmers or RMTing. Its about someone profiting from WoW and vivendi not liking that.

This lawsuit will in no fashion regardless of the outcome have fuckall to do with how many farmers or bots exist in their game. The scope of the lawsuit is the infringement of blizzards copyright. To think in any way shape or form this is somehow going to set a precedent allowing bots to exists regardless of what blizzard says is laughable at best.

Its best not to attempt to connect the dots if you are a fucking moron.

You really should just stop opening your yap. Every time you do, you prove yet again how fucking stupid you are. Who gives a flying fuck if Vivendi does or doesn't like someone else making money off thier property? It has JACK and SHIT to do with anything. Why? Because it wasn't Vivendi that initiated this action. It was MDY. They told him to stop, he said "fuck you", and decided he'd fight them for the right to fuck up thier game whether they like it or not. What did you expect thier reaction to that should be?

Incidently, if they can't stop this guy, the precedent WILL be set. Because no game developer will have any legal recourse to protect thier games from the slew of douchebags that will start selling bot programs all over the web. Sure, they can ban people that use them, but only AFTER they spend considerable resources to detect them.

Why is the painfully obvious such a tough thing for you to grasp? Seriously, close your yap. Its best not to open your mouth when you're a dumbass.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by 8ounce

Now think about the incentive of profit (the biggest motivator of all) and how many more bot programs would pop out. Better programs with actual marketing and advertising budgets like ige.

Wrap your mind around this for a second:

IGE etc. hire "in-house" programmers to build ever-evolving bot programs for every mmo on the market, past, present, and future.

Why wouldn't they? They could completely eliminate thier need for middlemen, and pocket tons more cash.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Rayne

You really should just stop opening your yap. Every time you do, you prove yet again how fucking stupid you are. Who gives a flying fuck if Vivendi does or doesn't like someone else making money off thier property? It has JACK and SHIT to do with anything. Why? Because it wasn't Vivendi that initiated this action. It was MDY. They told him to stop, he said "fuck you", and decided he'd fight them for the right to fuck up thier game whether they like it or not. What did you expect thier reaction to that should be?

Incidently, if they can't stop this guy, the precedent WILL be set. Because no game developer will have any legal recourse to protect thier games from the slew of douchebags that will start selling bot programs all over the web. Sure, they can ban people that use them, but only AFTER they spend considerable resources to detect them.

Why is the painfully obvious such a tough thing for you to grasp? Seriously, close your yap. Its best not to open your mouth when you're a dumbass.

Actually wrong what vivendi told this guy was "shut down give us all money or we will sue". So fucking naturally this guy fights it.In response to the threat of legal action from vivendii. Why for the love of god cant you grasp the very simple fact that there are slews of bots and have been for decades. This problem isnt new. This program is not exceptional.Bots and farmers will always exist.NO MATTER WHAT FUCKING OCCURS THAT WONT CHANGE. Unless you somehow think that this lawsuit will lead to blizzard being unable to ban someone for botting. But even you cant be that fucking stupid.

How do you somehow construe a court saying that wowglider doesn't infringe on vivendis copyright to somehow mean that they become untouchable by blizzard? The nature of the conflict is about violations of copyright. Not the right of the player to fucking bot.Whatever occurs bots will still be fought the exact same way as always. You ban them when you catch them.
Your chicken little screeching is wearing a bit thin.

[Hachima]

Maybe this will encourage game makers to make games that aren't so simplistic that a bot can play it.

EVE has mining bots, but that is a boring, simple process. Are there any good combat bots for EVE? The fact that you would get blown up by another player if you were in an actual good system to rat in would make it worthless.


No court judgment is going to stop people from making or using bots. Game companies need to realize this and plan their game with this in mind if they want to avoid the issues botting brings to the game.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Rayne

How about answering your own question there champ?

My feelings about cheating in WoW are identical to cheating in Monopoly. I'll do my own little part to curb it where I can but lawsuits are absurd.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

More stupidity.

If the act of writing a bot program becomes a legally actionable offense, punishable by monetary damages to the owner of the IP, how many of these douchebags do you think will continue to make them knowing it could cost them everything they have? The result:

fewer fucking bots as those already existing are detected and banned, and Blizzard's software remains ahead of bot development.

If it doesn't, what recourse does a game company have to protect thier game from the constant onslaught of new and improved programs? Zip. Zero. Nada. Haha, banned....... oops, theres another one!

But just because the problem "isn't new", no one should do anything...... ever, right? Seriously man, whats wearing thin here is your incredible propensity to spew even more stupidity every time you open your mouth.

Originally Posted by Hachima

No court judgment is going to stop people from making or using bots. Game companies need to realize this and plan their game with this in mind if they want to avoid the issues botting brings to the game.

If you stand to lose your house, car, bank acounts, etc..... are you saying it'd be worth such a risk to continue making bot programs? I think not. I think that realistically, you'd be thinking "holy shit..... Michael Donnelly lost his whole fuckin' life! No way man!" You do realise that Blizzard estimates thier "conservative" losses at $54million right? Thier in-house guy assures that thier "actual" losses exceed that figure.

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

My feelings about cheating in WoW are identical to cheating in Monopoly. I'll do my own little part to curb it where I can but lawsuits are absurd.

So, because YOU rate the problem as "less severe in your opinion", your opinion MUST BE the only correct one, right? In my opinion, and apparently the opinion of others here, Blizzard is doing what's necessary for them to protect thier game and its players from douchebags like this. The fact that you think its "absurd", is of little consequence.

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Rayne

If the act of writing a bot program becomes a legally actionable offense, punishable by monetary damages to the owner of the IP, how many of these douchebags do you think will continue to make them knowing it could cost them everything they have? The result:

fewer fucking bots as those already existing are detected and banned, and Blizzard's software remains ahead of bot development.

If it doesn't, what recourse does a game company have to protect thier game from the constant onslaught of new and improved programs? Zip. Zero. Nada. Haha, banned....... oops, theres another one!

Uhh huh...

Because making e-mail spam illegal in the US really stopped that problem too right?