[WOW] Glider author lawsuit

[Wodin]

The people cheerfully supporting botting in this thread clearly didn't play Lineage 2. There, the playerbase justified the use of bots due to an extremely punishing grind. The problems were manifold - the entire gameworld was designed around tiers of player control, and when the bots controlled the entire middle tier it choked off the game. People who were already on top and had amazing gear and the levels to back it up could fight back against the botters, but everyone else was forced to basically find a place where the bots were not prevalent, because you just plain couldn't compete for a resource against 4x optimal groups being run in unison.

The inflationary problem was also hugely magnified, to the point where the developers multiplied many of their money sinks by 10x just to try and bleed some of the inflation out of the economy. It very obviously broke fundamental design principles of the game, completely screwed up relative scarcity(things that were relatively rare but easy to bot were cheap, when they should have been expensive). That in turn screwed up the cost of gear, so new players got doubly hosed.

Plus, the bots made the player experience absolute crap because you were no longer playing an MMO. You were playing a weird hybrid where easily a third of the players you "interacted" with weren't actually able to respond. Even when you don't speak the same language, you can still use emotes and such to communicate with foreign players. The bots? They never changed their behavior, no matter what you did to them.

[Sancus]

Originally Posted by Rayne

What exactly don't YOU understand about Blizzard working to GAIN THE RIGHT to contest it? Theres NOTHING that allows them to at the moment. Bots ARE a problem, because if they're allowed to run rampant in games without any legal recourse, EVERY fucking RMT company out there will use them. They'll no longer need to depend on human farmers. You think its a problem now? Wait until its perfectly fine to run bots in EVERY fuckin' mmo on the market because this guy won his case. What you're seeing right now is but a mere FRACTION of what you'll see at that point.

Personally, I'd rather see World of Warcraft overrun by bots than see Blizzard gain the legal right to restrict people from developing software that interacts with theirs like this. Corporations are getting FAR too much latitude in the way they can abuse copyright and patents to stifle innovation, and this'll just be another step towards that.

Now, what Blizzard does on their privately owned servers is another thing - they can ban botters all they like, hell, they can ban you for liking to wear red shirts, that's perfectly fine. But being able to use legal pressure to stop development of software just because it's used to bot in their game? I'm sorry, no, that's going way too far and has implications that are far too important for the safety of a fucking stupid MMO's environment to matter.

Botters are NOT something that should be dealt with legally, period. The legal system is being horribly abused enough to pad people's pockets as it is.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Sancus

Personally, I'd rather see World of Warcraft overrun by bots than see Blizzard gain the legal right to restrict people from developing software that interacts with theirs like this. Corporations are getting FAR too much latitude in the way they can abuse copyright and patents to stifle innovation, and this'll just be another step towards that.

Now, what Blizzard does on their privately owned servers is another thing - they can ban botters all they like, hell, they can ban you for liking to wear red shirts, that's perfectly fine. But being able to use legal pressure to stop development of software just because it's used to bot in their game? I'm sorry, no, that's going way too far and has implications that are far too important for the safety of a fucking stupid MMO's environment to matter.

Botters are NOT something that should be dealt with legally, period. The legal system is being horribly abused enough to pad people's pockets as it is.

What use does WoWGlider have, other than botting on Blizzard's private servers?

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by Itzena

What use does WoWGlider have, other than botting on Blizzard's private servers?

That depends on how it's coded. If the code is exclusively based towards WoW and can't easily be adapted to other programs, it doesn't really have another purpose. However, I suspect that the main body of code isn't dependent on WoW to function, and it could quickly be adapted to run as a bot for other games. That gives it a purpose beyond botting WoW.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Rayne

So you still think bot farmers won't sell the gold they make while farming mats, or the proceeds from the mats themselves to RMT companies, right? If botting becomes a "legal activity", you'll see far more currency flow into games than mats. You can count on it.

Wait wait how exactly did you now turn this conversation into one based on "sanctioned" botting. Hard to tell with your random flailing attempts to support a moronic position. Sanctioned botting hahah jesus fucking retard.

[Cynno]

Originally Posted by Itzena

What use does WoWGlider have, other than botting on Blizzard's private servers?

Fucking idiot. Such a simplistic view of the lawsuit.

So if I create a program that adds functionality to a closed program and sell it, I should be sued too?

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Cynno

Fucking idiot. Such a simplistic view of the lawsuit.

So if I create a program that adds functionality to a closed program and sell it, I should be sued too?

I'm not a lawyer and/or a dev, but it seems to me you'd need to have the ok from the company if you made a program modifying the program intended usage legally, no? But well I don't know, I think the guy making glider wouldn't have had so many issues if he just made it free and added donations or whatever. Selling it as a full product sounds like a mistake he made.

Seems like a win-win situation for blizzard though. Since they're losing money currently having to hire staff to track gliders and devs to upgrade Warden and so on, they win on all sides. First they win just by suing, since it becomes public and thus gives blizzard a decent image to their customers. Then if they win well they obviously win money, and if they lose, they also win money since they can just give up the whole spending money to fight bot users.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

Wait wait how exactly did you now turn this conversation into one based on "sanctioned" botting. Hard to tell with your random flailing attempts to support a moronic position. Sanctioned botting hahah jesus fucking retard.

You really are fucking dense. So i'm finished wasting my time on your stupidity. Its as easy as connect-the-dots to see what this guy winning will lead to. I guess connect-the-dots is just too hard for you.

Originally Posted by Sancus

Personally, I'd rather see World of Warcraft overrun by bots than see Blizzard gain the legal right to restrict people from developing software that interacts with theirs like this. Corporations are getting FAR too much latitude in the way they can abuse copyright and patents to stifle innovation, and this'll just be another step towards that.

When this "innovation" ruins the experience of so many others, its not innovation at all. Its "interference".

Originally Posted by Cynno

So if I create a program that adds functionality to a closed program and sell it, I should be sued too?

If you do it without permission, yes. Companies acquire legal rights to modify software all the time. Douchebags do everything they can to avoid the costs of doing "legitemate business". And if you think this guy is fighting Blizzard as some righteous action to "benefit the people", you're a fucking fool.

Originally Posted by Pyros

Then if they win well they obviously win money, and if they lose, they also win money since they can just give up the whole spending money to fight bot users.

If Blizzard "just gives up the whole spending money to fight bot users", what do you think the games legitemate players will do? Don't be such a dambass. This fuck and everyone like him are counting on your stupidity.

[Flight]

I find it hilarious that Blizzard are taking the morale high ground.

Their history with warden and similar programs on user machines, historically without user knowledge or permission, was one of - if not the - biggest example of invasive software in the industries history.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Flight

I find it hilarious that Blizzard are taking the morale high ground.

Their history with warden and similar programs on user machines, historically without user knowledge or permission, was one of - if not the - biggest example of invasive software in the industries history.

I find it equally hilarious that such things are even necessary because some people can't even play a simple game without cheating.

[Arbitrary]

Because in the end, that's really all you care about. Every argument you make boils down this -

These people are CHEATING. Don't you care?

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Because in the end, that's really all you care about. Every argument you make boils down this -

These people are CHEATING. Don't you care?

Thank you for pointing out what "I" care about. Because i'm quite obviously the only person that does Dumbass.

How about answering your own question there champ?

[8ounce]

Originally Posted by Cynno

Fucking idiot. Such a simplistic view of the lawsuit.

So if I create a program that adds functionality to a closed program and sell it, I should be sued too?

IF the program you create is intended to interfere with others using the original program legitamatly...
IF you market the program in such a way...
IF your program is designed to cause damages (financial or otherwise)to the company of the original program...

Then yes I think you should be sued...but maybe I'm just the crazy one

[Malakriss]

Botters and hackers don't use programs because they want the game to include such capabilities as standard. They use programs for themselves and only themselves so they have an advantage over the rest of the people playing the game. The type of advantage desired may vary from person to person, but the majority of such people are at least two of the following:
- Lazy or casual players
- Plain shitty players who sucked to begin with
- Farmers and sellers who "play" the game only to sell items/gold for real life profit.

[Deris]

The morons on this forum never cease to amaze me. If you support botting in the least, lets go play CS:S and i'll use an aimbot, while you don't. Lets see who has fun .

now imagine if Blizzard loses this lawsuit, gets shit overturned to the point where they have to disable warden and stop banning botters. EVERYONE starts to bot, instead of the same 150+ people per server. No one can group, because everyone is grinding X with bots. Honor, Rep, Gold, Items, whatever. Not much of an MMO is it?

Just like how an aimbot ruins an FPS.

The stupidity on this board as time goes on never ceases to amaze me. What don't you fucking understand about someone writing something that overlies your I.P, and makes money off of what YOU created, with no permission from the publisher, and in the end causes you to lose money?