[WOW] Glider author lawsuit

[8ounce]

Originally Posted by Rythonn

How do you go from this guy winning to = perfectly fine to run bots? You are going crazy with the hyperbole. I don't think we will see more people botting simply because it is ok to write a bot.



Yeah that has worked very well for torrents... amirite? Win or Lose it won't have any impact except on the guy they are sueing. Actually Blizzard has more to lose, if they don't win.

Answer this question for me. What keeps people from running bots now? It's the risk of getting caught and getting banned, and that isn't going to change if this guy wins the lawsuit.

So why should this guy win? Why should this guy profit off of an obvious cheat? And you say people wont bot more just because its ok to write bot programs...you do realize this guy made 2.5 mill selling bots

[forge]

Originally Posted by Rayne

Again, stupidity abounds around here. When bots run rampant through a gameworld, and prices on the AH for simple mats reach such astounding costs that "actual" players can't afford them, how much "fun" is the game going to be for you then?

"WTS 1 heavy leather....... only 47659456 gold!".....(crickets........)

Sounds fun, doesn't it? I'm sure you'll be more than willing to spend your money to play such a game.

By all means, continue to believe this shit will have no ill-effect what-so-ever on the games you play. And yeah, i'm sure Blizzard thinks this is a great direction in which to take thier game

Please indulge me on how you've come to the conclusion that by having more bots farming items, the item price in question raises?

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by forge

Please indulge me on how you've come to the conclusion that by having more bots farming items, the item price in question raises?

Think about it. I'm sure it'll come to you....... someday. Maybe.

[Arbitrary]

Supply goes up, demand stays the same, price.......goes down?

[forge]

Apparently not in WoW.

[Arbitrary]

When everyone and their half-chinese brother was haxing farming DM the only consequence I remember was cheap potions.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Supply goes up, demand stays the same, price.......goes down?

More like......

currency becomes increasingly worthless. Thus requiring more of it to spend on items you want or need. So, unless you join the ranks of BottersUnited, guess what you get to spend countless more hours doing?

Thats right. Even MORE time doing the farming you so love to do presently. Or did you think that items would be the only thing to flood in?

[Arbitrary]

Why does currency become increasingly worthless due to item farming?

So Sephhirroaaaht bots Primal Fires all night. So what.

Your own example was an exaggeration of the price of Heavy Leather. If there are a ton of people botting Heavy Leather, the price goes down. Farming Heavy Leather does not add currency to the game.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Why does currency become increasingly worthless due to item farming?

So Sephhirroaaaht bots Primal Fires all night. So what.

Your own example was an exaggeration of the price of Heavy Leather. If there are a ton of people botting Heavy Leather, the price goes down. Farming Heavy Leather does not add currency to the game.

So you still think bot farmers won't sell the gold they make while farming mats, or the proceeds from the mats themselves to RMT companies, right? If botting becomes a "legal activity", you'll see far more currency flow into games than mats. You can count on it.

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by Rayne

Because if Blizzard has no legal recourse, it gives free reign for every RMT company to use them in ANY game they wish. Had you actually read the documentation submitted, you would have seen that this guy is not only trying to make it legal for him to sell his bot program, but hes ALSO trying to get the district court to make it a non-bannable offense actionable by his customers against Blizzard. He doesn't want Blizzard "harrassing" his customers, because its bad for his business.

Yeah, hyperbole. Keep dreamin'.

It is because he will never win that, the courts can't force on blizzard who they can or can't ban.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Rayne

So you still think bot farmers won't sell the gold they make while farming mats, or the proceeds from the mats themselves to RMT companies, right? If botting becomes a "legal activity", you'll see far more currency flow into games than mats. You can count on it.

Again, where is currency being added to the game through item farming and how is the increased supply of items going to increase prices?

(hint, it isn't)

[8ounce]

Originally Posted by forge

Please indulge me on how you've come to the conclusion that by having more bots farming items, the item price in question raises?

Irrelavant. If the price goes up, down or stays the same makes no difference the VALUE of the item still goes down. Stay with me here, suppose a heal potion takes time and effort to make and is hard to find regardless of the price you can bet people will use it sparingly, Yet if you could bot unlimited amounts of potions they would be worthless to you (again despite the price) and you wouild use them whenever needed.

Plain and simple botting ruins the game experience for many people on many levels and for many different reasons. I am amazed how many people are supporting botting, are you guys serious or just playing devils advocate?

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Rythonn

It is because he will never win that, the courts can't force on blizzard who they can or can't ban.

Suppose you're right. Suppose Blizzard can ban whatever botters they discover even if this guy does win. If theres no legal recourse for them to protect thier game, where do you suppose they'll have to expend the most resources to effectively seek out and ban botters in order to satisfy the countless players cancelling subs because they're sick of botters? Glider will just be the tip of the iceberg. You'll see a shitstorm of bot programs surface as every douchebag and his mom tries to cash in, because there'll be nothing Blizzard can do to stop them from continuously updating thier programs to avoid detection. Forget about other games. They'll be fuckin' broke in no time.

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Again, where is currency being added to the game through item farming and how is the increased supply of items going to increase prices?

(hint, it isn't)

How many times do you need it explained? Currency will flow into the game MUCH faster than farmed mats will, because many of the farmed mobs generate NEW currency. As currency becomes increasingly less valuable, the items you spend it on will require more of it to spend. How long do you think it'll take these guys to completely ruin the games economy?

[forge]

Originally Posted by 8ounce

stuff

Way to quote my question for that other guy then talk about something totally irrelavant.

Originally Posted by Rayne

How many times do you need it explained? Currency will flow into the game MUCH faster than farmed mats will, because many of the farmed mobs generate NEW currency. As currency becomes increasingly less valuable, the items you spend it on will require more of it to spend. How long do you think it'll take these guys to completely ruin the games economy?

It doesn't matter how much currency people farm or how much ige sells. It matters on the items generated. If people can only get 1 leather it will sell for much more. If theres millions available then the price falls. As long as I'm selling my leather on the ah, you have 3 options. You can buy mine for a copper, set it to the same price or wait until all mine is sold. That is unless you can find idiots to buy it for 10gold while mine is for sale at 1copper. This has already been proven in wow itself. You already had diremaul listed as a perfect example. Farmers exploited the certain bosses which all dropped over a few gold each. That era produced some of the cheapest potions in the game ever, yet somehow all the gold every farmer was making didn't make them 50gold each.

[Fammaden]

I think Blizzard's own dailies and outland rewards have devalued gold as much as any farming pro's have at this point. I don't know if there is any way to get accurate stats on this stuff (probably not) but I would guess that the bulk of RMT cash from WoW comes from leveling services. Not that people aren't buying gold, but those who are would likely want it to dump into in game money sinks like mounts, repairs, respeccing, skills/spells for alts and such as much or I think more than for buying mats and gear.