WoW Going EQ in terms of loot - Page 22

Zehn - Vhex · 04-07-2008, 02:49 PM

I still believe he's really a bot programmed by Req to post inane comments just to generate more posts.

Sunder · 04-07-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

I still believe he's really a bot programmed by Req to post inane comments just to generate more posts.

Do you really want to go on record as blaming Req for the massive amount of stupid that is Dumar?

Zehn - Vhex · 04-07-2008, 02:54 PM

Only he could possibly conceive of something so twisted and vile.

Ayeshala · 04-07-2008, 02:59 PM

They don't understand that games are still in the equivalent of the silent movie era. You're wasting your time discussing this here

It's really simple: the game industry as a whole is slowly and ponderously moving away from a focus on graphics but it's going to be a good 2 to 3 years before the always behind, oh so incestuous MMOG industry realizes that and a good 2-3 more years before games using certain key upcoming technologies that really free up gameplay come out.

Parallel to this, some more games trying to copy WOW's almost perfect execution of the diku hackNslash type game will fail. LIKE LEMMINGS. If they don't go splat they will only be moderately successful because whatever twist they try to add, in the end you get the same basic feeling/fun from the gameplay. The button presses don't get better than WOW. So there's no reason to switch.

Then, after a few years and lots of innovation on the single player side such as the new way of thinking about character movement from Assassin's Creed and the upcoming Mirror's Edge, mostly destructible environments from the upcoming Battlefield: Bad Company, all the stuff coming in The Force Unleashed etc etc should have proven themselves to excite players and be financially viable gameplay (Almost 4 million sales say a few games doing the AC "parkour" stuff are bound to be announced this year).

The key words of the previous paragraph are: FINANCIALLY VIABLE GAMEPLAY. Sad but oh so very true.

By the time all that happens, there's bound to be a few exec/suit types who start considering adding all these things into a single game. Hey I know, I'll be different and have them added in a MMOG! And you'll finally get a first run MMOG that won't feel like same old.

It's basically what happened with Everquest. The "vision" of what was the obvious next step had to be so obvious even a suit could see it. Smed was just the first suit to "see the light".

Until then there's not much to do except enjoy WOW and it's little bros or switch to another hobby.

Dumar · 04-07-2008, 03:06 PM

i don't get the hate. shouldn't you be cheering for designers to do as i've asked? just don't get it.

Hatorade · 04-07-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumar

i don't get the hate. shouldn't you be cheering for designers to do as i've asked? just don't get it.

I have decided the only proper response to any of your posts is:

Penis-Fish

Malice · 04-07-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumar

sigh okay, i'll respond to real questions. do you know what systems design is? Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Dude, I know what all the bullshit in your post means. I just don't know why you posted it. Game evolution moves slow because it really doesn't need to move much faster. Right now the "same old same old" are still making money, and still keeping most people happy. It has nothing to do with the bullshit you're hinting around.

Dumar · 04-07-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayeshala

They don't understand that games are still in the equivalent of the silent movie era. You're wasting your time discussing this here

great post.

Zehn - Vhex · 04-07-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumar

great post.

Terrible post.

Hatorade · 04-07-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumar

great post.

Penis-Fish

Sunder · 04-07-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumar

i don't get the hate. shouldn't you be cheering for designers to do as i've asked? just don't get it.

No, I do not root for designers to give players unlimited freedom to do as they choose in a multiplayer game. Thousands and thousands of years of human nature prove that such a game would be nothing more than a dick-waving shit-fest of epic proportions.

I root for games where the griefers complain constantly that they are unable to achieve their 5th grade antics. I root for games where exploitive behavior is minimized to keep from trivializing challenges. I root for games where having limitations is part of the challenge, not part of the problem for cheaters/hackers to overcome.

An MMO with true freedom gives every player a /kill, /teleport, and /spawn command to use when they feel like it. Otherwise, you are just limiting them way too much!!

Ayeshala · 04-07-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatorade

Penis-Fish

NICE

Twobit Whore · 04-07-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumar

i'm trying to give you guys perspective here. yet all you do is jest.

you realize what an awful state the gaming industry is in right? you realize what a total piece of shit it is? this isn't an opinion. you've got only a few major players (ea, activision, blizzard, et al). they never release innovative shit ever. jesus, even before blizzard got mucho big, they didn't innovative either. they released good to great games, but it was still status quo. do you get that this has been going on for more than a decade?

Are you kidding? There have been a shitload of awesome games in the last couple of years. That whole Guitar Hero thing was pretty fucking innovative. And even on the more 'normal' game front there have been tons of great games. Some on PC, some on console, some on handheld.

You know, it's not unlike it has been for eternity. 90% of games are shit, always have been. There are so many games released every day that they all can't possible be appealing to everyone.

Wilfan · 04-07-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by James

For some reason, the awesome factor for Second Life just went up a few levels for me. I may have to check this game out.

Second Life is, like EVE, much better when you read/watch it than when you play it. Stuff like Second Life Safari, especially Spartan Army, is simply mind-blowing. So is the amount of drama and weirdos the game attacts. I guarantee you you'll find a new form of porn eve if you think you've seen all the interwebs have to offer.

Fadaar · 04-07-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunder

Do you really want to go on record as blaming Req for the massive amount of stupid that is Dumar?

Req is capable of many things. Wouldn't be surprised if he's the head honcho of Skynet.

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04-07-2008, 02:49 PM	#316 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	I still believe he's really a bot programmed by Req to post inane comments just to generate more posts.

04-07-2008, 02:54 PM	#318 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,728 +66 Internets	Only he could possibly conceive of something so twisted and vile.

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Ayeshala Ballistic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 469 -1 Internets	They don't understand that games are still in the equivalent of the silent movie era. You're wasting your time discussing this here It's really simple: the game industry as a whole is slowly and ponderously moving away from a focus on graphics but it's going to be a good 2 to 3 years before the always behind, oh so incestuous MMOG industry realizes that and a good 2-3 more years before games using certain key upcoming technologies that really free up gameplay come out. Parallel to this, some more games trying to copy WOW's almost perfect execution of the diku hackNslash type game will fail. LIKE LEMMINGS. If they don't go splat they will only be moderately successful because whatever twist they try to add, in the end you get the same basic feeling/fun from the gameplay. The button presses don't get better than WOW. So there's no reason to switch. Then, after a few years and lots of innovation on the single player side such as the new way of thinking about character movement from Assassin's Creed and the upcoming Mirror's Edge, mostly destructible environments from the upcoming Battlefield: Bad Company, all the stuff coming in The Force Unleashed etc etc should have proven themselves to excite players and be financially viable gameplay (Almost 4 million sales say a few games doing the AC "parkour" stuff are bound to be announced this year). The key words of the previous paragraph are: FINANCIALLY VIABLE GAMEPLAY. Sad but oh so very true. By the time all that happens, there's bound to be a few exec/suit types who start considering adding all these things into a single game. Hey I know, I'll be different and have them added in a MMOG! And you'll finally get a first run MMOG that won't feel like same old. It's basically what happened with Everquest. The "vision" of what was the obvious next step had to be so obvious even a suit could see it. Smed was just the first suit to "see the light". Until then there's not much to do except enjoy WOW and it's little bros or switch to another hobby.