WoW Going EQ in terms of loot

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[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Diatribe

I wish Blizzard had done progression with content from expansion to expansion much like what SoE did with their EQ/EQ2 stuff. Sure, with some expansions you left some content behind, but others, you continued to do, simply because the gear was too good to NOT keep at farming out. Also, while sure, Expansion X just came out, but not *ALL* of it's gear is as good as Expansion Y's was before it, as well.

Also, in terms of mudflation in MMO's, it's better to do more minimal upgrades (in terms of stats) than doing what Blizzard did with TBC vs. Old WoW gear. Sure, don't have epics only be marginally better than previous epics, but c'mon, 60th lvl greens should never have me seriously wondering if I should switch it out over a 60th lvl blue. And the list goes on and on.

Can we seriously stop making this argument? It's yet another in the long line of "WOW IS TOO EASY" and "WOW HAS NO COMMUNITY" retardation. As others have pointed out, high end vanilla gear was better then anything until level 70 dungeon blues, the only reason greens in Outland were so pimp were becuase of the stamina changes.

My mage twink was in mostly MC/ZA gear. I went from 2k hp and 500 + damage pre-TBC to 6k hp and 600 + damage at level 70 in random instance blues. Seems about right to me given blizzards change in design. I expect to have about 8k hp and 700 + damage whenver I hit level 80 in WOTLK.

Yes, if you were running around in BRD/ST bluers and were OMG AMAZED THAT LEVEL 62 QUESTS GIVE BETTER GEAR!!!?! WTFSHITISTHIS? It just makes you a fucking tool.

Just fucking shut up. Seriously, shut the fuck up.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

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Seriously I agree. I was in ZERO raid gear on my casual warrior. Zero, not a single fucking piece from MC/ZG etc and I barely start upgrading shit until 66+ or so.

Now I did take the time to get the best non-raid shit I could, had lionhearts DPS, enchanted thoriums for def. and sta etc...so my gear wasnt shit. Only reason I upgraded before 70 at all was because of the change in rating system and sta upgrades.

Gear "resets" or mudflation are game mechanic and environment dependant, stop trying to cross compare them. What WoW did works perfect for their game and their playerbase, EQ's also worked on for them once they stopped making some bullshit mistakes. EQ is a longer game, epics that last in that game are different than an item lasting 5 expansions in WoW.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Can we seriously stop making this argument? It's yet another in the long line of "WOW IS TOO EASY" and "WOW HAS NO COMMUNITY" retardation. As others have pointed out, high end vanilla gear was better then anything until level 70 dungeon blues, the only reason greens in Outland were so pimp were becuase of the stamina changes.

My mage twink was in mostly MC/ZA gear. I went from 2k hp and 500 + damage pre-TBC to 6k hp and 600 + damage at level 70 in random instance blues. Seems about right to me given blizzards change in design. I expect to have about 8k hp and 700 + damage whenver I hit level 80 in WOTLK.

Yes, if you were running around in BRD/ST bluers and were OMG AMAZED THAT LEVEL 62 QUESTS GIVE BETTER GEAR!!!?! WTFSHITISTHIS? It just makes you a fucking tool.

Just fucking shut up. Seriously, shut the fuck up.

except that wow is too easy. and there is no community. and gear doesn't sprinkle like raindrops, it floods the fucking streets with a downpour.

but ya, let's stfu. hey, it's time for me to go do my 25 daily quests that i did yesterday. and the day before.. and the day bef--

much better than camp check. oh yes.

[Venjenz]

Originally Posted by Dumar

except that wow is too easy. and there is no community. and gear doesn't sprinkle like raindrops, it floods the fucking streets with a downpour.

but ya, let's stfu. hey, it's time for me to go do my 25 daily quests that i did yesterday. and the day before.. and the day bef--

much better than camp check. oh yes.

How the fuck is being entertained "too easy?"

Yeah, you run the same dailies for cash/gear grinding, and that may bore you to tears, but the difference between running dailies and camp checks is that with a daily, you do something besides sit and wish you could go do something, and when a daily is done, you get some sort of guaranteed payoff. When you pay money and login to be entertained, why wouldn't you want at least the possibility of being able to do something to be as easy as possible?

Too many EQ players look back with fondness at those annoying camp checks that said the whole zone was camped, making your possibilities that night either traveling for hours to your other camp checks, or just having a pretty chatroom.

We have discussed this before in so many threads that the community in EQ was like the one in a concentration camp. The community was out of a survival instinct. You had to have the community to scrape some fun out of the logging in on more nights than most people will admit to. I hated it when all of Guk was camped, and then we'd run to SolB to find it totally camped, to run to location X to find it totally camped, etc etc etc. You'd login for three hours to do camp checks, get mad and log out. In the meantime, chat channels building community with the other saps who were pissed off that everything was fucking camped.

WoW dailies are a good thing. It gives you something to do. Instances mean you can plan a raid that won't be cancelled due to cockblock when you get there. Yeah, for the epeen alphas who only feel good when others feel bad, the cockblock is integral to their gaming experience. They have EQ for that. For the remaining 99.5% of the MMO playerbase, having stuff to do guaranteed matters.

When I pay $15 per month, it fucking A better be easy for me to go do something, even if it is repetitive. Yeah, that is one helluvah lot better than camp check.

[Zerai]

Don't bother responding to Dumar. He has his head so firmly lodged up his ass that you could be the motherfucking sun and all he'll see is dark shit.

[Kaxmax]

Jesus, please don't reply to Dumar. We all know his feelings on things at this point, just laugh and move on.

[Wilfan]

Why the fuck do you need gold if you don't raid?

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Venjenz

When you pay money and login to be entertained

yup, i agree.

something else irks me too.

i very much enjoy doing the same crossword puzzle over and over. but for some reason the fucking newspaper changes it EVERY FUCKING DAY. what the hell? do those editors think i'm a fucking masochist or what?

[Kreugen]

I always thought it was ironic that I die far more often in the "too easy" WoW, including raids where learning the fights often takes far more reps. The difference is obviously the lack of ball-twisting downtime after each death or wipe, which adds the illusion of difficulty due the assault on your sanity.

[Roa]

Originally Posted by Wilfan

Why the fuck do you need gold if you don't raid?

I hope I just missed the sarcasm on this one.

[Deris]

Originally Posted by Kreugen

I always thought it was ironic that I die far more often in the "too easy" WoW, including raids where learning the fights often takes far more reps. The difference is obviously the lack of ball-twisting downtime after each death or wipe, which adds the illusion of difficulty due the assault on your sanity.

But gosh Kreugen, I mean WoW is so easy look at how many guilds have the first 3 bosses of Sunwell cleared. What like 50? World wide?

Which when you translate to EQ #'s comes out to like 3 guilds. Sounds about right to me!

And Dumar, if WoW is so easy why aren't you rated 2500+ in all 3 brackets, with a permanent invite and autowin in every WSVG/etc Tournament? And why aren't sponsors paying for you?

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Dumar

i very much enjoy doing the same crossword puzzle over and over. but for some reason the fucking newspaper changes it EVERY FUCKING DAY. what the hell? do those editors think i'm a fucking masochist or what?

Okay, okay...I'm sorry, this has me confused.

When I played Everquest, even if I had the top gear (say Fear gear at the time, and eventually Kunark and then Velious gear), I would STILL be doing the same shit for a while. You don't take a break from doing that stuff because shit sells.

Did you not play EQ or something? Did you quit playing right after you killed Trakanon/Vulak and wait til the new expansion started?

No? Didn't think so.

[Kreugen]

Originally Posted by Deris

But gosh Kreugen, I mean WoW is so easy look at how many guilds have the first 3 bosses of Sunwell cleared. What like 50? World wide?

What, you mean the encounters worked when they went live!? What kind of fucked up fantasy land is this place?

[Horse]

Playing WoW is easy...

...balancing 25+X raiders with their schedules and real lives, making it interesting for the people who have 100% to redo crap, farming gear just to raid, inventing guild economies and hierarchies to organize people, web presence/forums/ventrilo and avoiding all the drama that goes along with the game, putting up with the resetting of gear every so often as a gigantic, obvious cartoon carrot, doing repetitive dailies and dungeons to collect currency tokens is hard.


And not hard as in difficulty, hard as in old white dog shit that you don't want to touch. Maybe the planets will align and you'll find enough likeminded individuals to finally touch - maybe even taste - the dog shit, just to go down in history as being one of the few who've ever done it.

I enjoy(ed)-ish WoW, and respect what it's accomplished, but holy shit the tin crowns are laughable. The high end is like counting cards while playing Go Fish.


WoW must not be easy, because then we'd all be paid by sponsors and have 2,500+ ratings. Not that our class/spec ended up randomly sucking, our friends got bored, or that maybe it was a classic case of not giving a fuck because of the eternal hourglass nagging you in the back of your mind while you organize a bunch of colorful pictures in your virtual hero bank.