[WAR]Delayed again

[Kobalt]

Originally Posted by Blackulaa

The best time would have been right now if it was polished. They missed a great window. No WOTLK in sight, people bored, summer coming up when kiddies have more time to play, AoC, Lotro, EQ2, Lineage and others making no buzz whatsoever. Would have been real nice sales wise, imo.

Pretty much impossible though, they got the license only 3 years ago. The game is pretty good considering how short it's been in development(most mmo's take 5 years). Might not happen but if they gave the game a year, should be polished and wow will start getting stale again by this time(this is of course assuming blizzard gets the expansion out this year).

[Lost Ranger]

Good for them. It is good to see a company that really wants to release a product that will impress people and get people to play longer then the first free month. Vanguard would not be the punchline of a million jokes today if they had done this a few times as well.

[Hatorade]

Two things:

NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR BLIZZARD TO TAKE THIS LONG FOR HEROIC CLASSES! We "might get Deathknight this year" FUCK!..where is my siege weapons and all the other heroic classes? No damm reason what so ever other then they don't care and put out minor content what every 6 months at the earliest? The excuse of they only put out quality stuff at this point is bullshit they have the resources to put out tons of quality stuff relatively quickly.

Secondly, back on topic: The delay of this game was expected and maybe EA will throw more money at it to make it better.

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=647326 october.

[Kodylan]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

Good for them. It is good to see a company that really wants to release a product that will impress people and get people to play longer then the first free month. Vanguard would not be the punchline of a million jokes today if they had done this a few times as well.

I know some of it is probably because I'm "press" or whatever, but I had a chance to talk to Mark Jacobs yesterday and he echoed your sentiments. They don't want to screw this up by releasing too early. I don't think EA wants them to screw it up either -- they wouldn't have purchased Mythic in the first place if they didn't have high expectations for the game.

Edit: Since I can talk about it now, I'll go ahead and say this to Blackulaa: If they released today, the game would have failed miserably. If they released in June, it would have done "ok" and probably had 100-200k subscribers, but I even recognized last week that they definitely needed to delay the game. I found out about the delay a few days ago, but had a feeling in the back of my mind that from what I saw, the game would be delayed a bit.

That's not to say what I saw was bad, just that some of it would have been half finished with a June release.

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR BLIZZARD TO TAKE THIS LONG FOR HEROIC CLASSES! We "might get Deathknight this year" FUCK!..where is my siege weapons and all the other heroic classes? No damm reason what so ever other then they don't care and put out minor content what every 6 months at the earliest? The excuse of they only put out quality stuff at this point is bullshit they have the resources to put out tons of quality stuff relatively quickly.

This is the main problem with being #1, and by alot. They don't have to release content quick, or fix obvious bugs/imbalance issues within a reasonable amount of time. The odd person quitting in frustration/boredom means nothing when your player base is the size of a small country

I also think the "quality" excuse is complete bullshit. I saw nothing in TBC that made me go "oooohhh I see why it took so long!" and I am pretty sure WotLK will be no different. They are either dragging serious ass or simply don't have the manpower they need to produce content in a reasonable amount of time. Either way with the amount of money that pours in every month I see no reason they can not fix the problem. Add a few more people to the payroll if it means we see expansions even a few months quicker then we do now.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR BLIZZARD TO TAKE THIS LONG FOR HEROIC CLASSES! We "might get Deathknight this year" FUCK!..where is my siege weapons and all the other heroic classes? No damm reason what so ever other then they don't care and put out minor content what every 6 months at the earliest? The excuse of they only put out quality stuff at this point is bullshit they have the resources to put out tons of quality stuff relatively quickly.

With no competition, what's the point to releasing content quickly? It is practically a waste. Their numbers aren't going down, so why? Making you happy is a far distant second to making money. They are often the same, generally they just have to make you happier than their competitors can.

Edit: You're going to see WOTLK in the same time vicinity as Warhammer, with less influence from AOC. I guarantee it.

[Azrayne]

Kind of saw this coming. Hopefully they get a chance to fix up the game.

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by Manseed

With no competition, what's the point to releasing content quickly? It is practically a waste. Their numbers aren't going down, so why? Making you happy is a far distant second to making money.

Bingo. Blizzard has morphed into the EA of MMO developers, as far as customer relations go.

[Blackulaa]

I'm not disagreeing that it should be delayed. What I'm saying is the best time would have been NOW if the game was ready and up to standards.

To be honest I bet marketers are suggesting next year. I mean release in September when Blizzard knows your release date (anyone remember the EQ2-Wow Release date battle, and the subsequent Blizzard release timings and get creamed, or polish even further and have next year to yourself. No WOW, no AOC, No Stargate Worlds, no Starcraft 2, no Consoles Christmas hysteria, no unexpected hit out of nowhere, etc. I mean if we can wait till September, they could come up with an awesome reason to wait 6 months more for alone time with the consumer. It's not like EA is hurting for money...

I mean I want Warhammer myself, been a vet subscriber, convention goer, contest loser, CE pre-order whore, *still not in beta tears*, and I will look at around 4-5 games to choose from then instead of one right now, when I'm perfectly bored.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

Add a few more people to the payroll if it means we see expansions even a few months quicker then we do now.

Once again: The Mythical Man-Month - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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[Draegan]

I could of told you a month or two ago that WAR would be delayed. Not surprised at all.

[Akileese]

Originally Posted by Kobalt

Pretty much impossible though, they got the license only 3 years ago. The game is pretty good considering how short it's been in development(most mmo's take 5 years). Might not happen but if they gave the game a year, should be polished and wow will start getting stale again by this time(this is of course assuming blizzard gets the expansion out this year).

And this is what most people don't understand. With the minimal amount of time the game has been in beta, I think it's pretty solid. Most of the content is still closed off to testers. A lot of it has polish, I just felt like it was a jack of all trades games. It does a lot of different things, it just isn't better than anything else at there.

If they're smart it'll get pushed back to like March/April of next year like Kobalt said. They won't do it though.

[Maxxius]

Originally Posted by Akileese

. . . It does a lot of different things, it just isn't better than anything else at there. . . .

At this point I don't care if it isn't "better" as long as it is good. I need something new, since all I got recently from WOW was playing in one new zone with pretty much my entire server.

[Torvon]

I can't really comment much on the state of the game as I am currently not in the beta. I definitely agree with the idea of working on and polishing a game until it is truly ready for release; however I have to say whoever is in charge of public relations over at Mythic needs to get fired. They have hyped up the game at almost exactly the wrong time. They "guaranteed" beta spots to a certain number of people and never delivered and time and time again they come up with excuses as to why that is. In fact, instead of any type of answer for those people they decide, "what the heck let's sell some more beta spots."

On top of all of that Paul needs to shut his mouth about the game. He just throws in whatever the hell he thinks will hype people up about the game which will turn around and bite him when people start finding out the stuff he is saying is false. I understand it is a part of his job to hype up the game but it gets to a point where the public just want some truthful answers instead of his rambling on.

I find Mark Jacobs to be pretty down to earth, but I think he is a little too much like Paul in his willingness to say whatever it takes to please the public; even if it is more level-headed. I respect the fact they have developed this game a lot quicker than most MMORPGs but ffs quit bringing that up every time you delay the damn thing; played that card 1 too many times. Does it disturb anyone else how often he brings up WoW? Hell man, if you want to go work for Blizzard here is a damn link: Blizzard Entertainment - Employment Opportunities

All in all I am still excited for the game, but I've learned to look at it realistically instead of believing all the sewage spewing out of Paul's mouth. What Mythic should have done is not released any type of release window and delayed all the hype for a year from when it started. Then EA Mythic would be sitting on a polished game ready for release and an extremely hyped community. And you can't possibly tell me they thought they could have finished a game by the two previous release windows that have been given when they have decided to delay an extra 6 months. They keep bragging about how fast they have made this game; yet they need 6 months to "polish" it? How about some honesty for a change.

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Once again: The Mythical Man-Month - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah...

Assigning more programmers to a project running behind schedule will make it even later,

Says nothing about adding new people to make future projects faster. Someday people will stop defending Blizzards extremely slow pace of development.