[WoW] Thinking on coming back, how much has it changed?

[LadyVex]

Originally Posted by CXB

I play on a PvP server so I can murder all the night elf hunters who think they have a right to the ore in nagrand.

This. I used to play on Sargeras and the pvp leveling up was generally fun, and being able to penalize someone for stealing your herb was also cool. (When I farmed night dragon breaths I would down the opposite faction like you read about; get the fuck away from my properly timed and cycled run through Felwood for these little tidbits of absolute efficiency goodness)

However, while being camped didn't happen often, when it did it was usually something that would eat up a few hours of your time. My BF and I at the time were in thousand needles, and got clobbered. The guy didn't stop. 40 minutes later we said "fuck this" and logged off.

Also, not sure how the really high end guilds work on pvp servers, but on ours the highest horde guild would grief us just trying to get anywhere. It was pretty insane. When I stopped having the extra time pvp servers became slightly less reachable and I server transfered to a pve. Showing up early for raids etc just to make sure everyone is getting there is really annoying. And man, with the Isle being released I am tremendously glad I am on pve; the stories! I like pvp for what it is; too many people ruin it.

[Sabyn]

Jesus christ, when did FoH become populated by a bunch of bitches? On the rare occasion someone fucks with me beyond a drive by gank I just run my ghost to my corpse, go out for a cig or something, rez and go about my business. Unless you are retarded there is no way someone can camp you more than maybe 3 times before you can get away. Its not like you can't just find a new place if your current spot is overrun by alliance.

World pvp in WoW is so unbelievable soft, I honestly can't believe people bitch about it.

Also, I don't play on a pvp server so I can do world pvp. I play on one so there less a chance the other people on my faction are retarded. Yes there still are retards on pvp servers, but any reduction in there numbers is appreciated. And if you have any desire to join a decent arena team you better be on a pvp server.

[LadyVex]

Originally Posted by Sabyn

Jesus christ, when did FoH become populated by a bunch of bitches? On the rare occasion someone fucks with me beyond a drive by gank I just run my ghost to my corpse, go out for a cig or something, rez and go about my business. Unless you are retarded there is no way someone can camp you more than maybe 3 times before you can get away. Its not like you can't just find a new place if your current spot is overrun by alliance.

World pvp in WoW is so unbelievable soft, I honestly can't believe people bitch about it.

Also, I don't play on a pvp server so I can do world pvp. I play on one so there less a chance the other people on my faction are retarded. Yes there still are retards on pvp servers, but any reduction in there numbers is appreciated. And if you have any desire to join a decent arena team you better be on a pvp server.

You're incorrect.

General pvp is not you versus someone your level, it's you versus a level 60 who just got death's sting. It's annoying. I so love running to turn in quests at level 34 to get instant raped by a level 60 horde rogue. It was fun!

And sorry I picked a pvp server because knowing I had to defend myself always is an extra added bit of a fun. I then transfered off when I realized that world pvp on those servers means someone 30 levels above you killing you over and over. That's it; it's very rare to find fair fights or even fun unfair fights.

E-thugs forever though, amirite?

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Sabyn

Jesus christ, when did FoH become populated by a bunch of bitches? On the rare occasion someone fucks with me beyond a drive by gank I just run my ghost to my corpse, go out for a cig or something, rez and go about my business. Unless you are retarded there is no way someone can camp you more than maybe 3 times before you can get away. Its not like you can't just find a new place if your current spot is overrun by alliance.

World pvp in WoW is so unbelievable soft, I honestly can't believe people bitch about it.

Also, I don't play on a pvp server so I can do world pvp. I play on one so there less a chance the other people on my faction are retarded. Yes there still are retards on pvp servers, but any reduction in there numbers is appreciated. And if you have any desire to join a decent arena team you better be on a pvp server.

The only time I hate it is when people sit in town in exploit spots and nuke/shoot me but I can't attack back. Even then I rarely die. Just move away or if you die wait until they leave. It's more annoying and stupid than anything else. They tried to fix it with the dudes with guns and nets, but mages can just blink out of those forever so it doesnt matter much.

/rant off

[Sabyn]

Originally Posted by LadyVex

You're incorrect.

General pvp is not you versus someone your level, it's you versus a level 60 who just got death's sting. It's annoying. I so love running to turn in quests at level 34 to get instant raped by a level 60 horde rogue. It was fun!

And sorry I picked a pvp server because knowing I had to defend myself always is an extra added bit of a fun. I then transfered off when I realized that world pvp on those servers means someone 30 levels above you killing you over and over. That's it; it's very rare to find fair fights or even fun unfair fights.

E-thugs forever though, amirite?

I'm not disagreeing that world pvp = unfair fight / ganking. I am saying "so fucking what."

*edit*

Yeah, def agree that getting ganked in towns isn't fun either. Again though, such an absolutely insignificant part of the game, I can't imagine someone being so yellow as to go to the dregs of WoW to avoid it.

[Vorph]

Never played on a WoW PVP server, and likely never will. I can say that almost every time I've come across someone on a class forum or whatever who made me want to reach through the screen and rip his fucking throat out, it's someone from a PVP server. Far as I'm concerned that's where the dregs of WoW are.

[spronk]

US Realm List :: WoWProgress - World of Warcraft Rankings and History

0 PVE servers in top 10 according to progression, 3 in top 20.

The top PVE server, Blackhand, has 1 guild that has cleared Sunwell and 10 guilds that have killed at least one boss. The top PVP server (Malganis) has 4 guilds that have cleared Sunwell and 22 guilds that have killed at least 1 boss. According to US Realm Stats - WarcraftRealms.com, Blackhand has 23k users, Malganis has 34k users. The most populated server in WoW is Moonrunner, a PVE server, with 0 guilds clearing sunwell and only 4 guilds total even in Sunwell.

And no, these stats don't really mean shit, its not like you are going to roll a new level 1 and be joining any of these top guilds a month later. But still, there is a remarkable difference in what you can accomplish as a solo player on a top PVP server and a top PVE server. My gear is mediocore and I regularly join Hyjal pugs and Sunwell trash farming pugs, and there are tons of different things I can do every night I login. My friend was on a RP server and he quit a few months ago, he said it was nearly impossible to get a competent PUG to finish a regular instance, let alone a heroic. He's powerleveling with me now btw, we have 8 level 60s between the 2 of us

[Troll]

That Progress site is shit. Can't even get server types right.

[Vorph]

I played Horde on this server before I quit, and even on a cesspool (and by that I mean Horde was outnumbered 7-1) like that several months ago you could do Hyjal with a pseudo-PUG raid. Never had an issue with heroics/Kara/ZA/etc. either, so that must have been one ungodly bad server your friend was on.

Needless to say, if/when I come back for WotLK, I'll be changing servers. I certainly won't be rerolling to a PVP one though, just xfering to a better PVE.

[Cad]

I honestly think it'd be better for everybody at this point if the distinction between pve and pvp were removed, pvp is only in arenas/battlegrounds or if you /pvp, and horde and alliance are allowed to group together and do instances together. 2 separate playerbases sharing the same server hardware is just retarded for no reason, since absolutely zero world pvp of any consequence happens.

Oh and if people whose gamestyle includes regular griefing in the world quit as a result, I'd call that a win/win.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by Cad

I honestly think it'd be better for everybody at this point if the distinction between pve and pvp were removed, pvp is only in arenas/battlegrounds or if you /pvp, and horde and alliance are allowed to group together and do instances together. 2 separate playerbases sharing the same server hardware is just retarded for no reason, since absolutely zero world pvp of any consequence happens.

Oh and if people whose gamestyle includes regular griefing in the world quit as a result, I'd call that a win/win.

I'd be in favour of ally and horde grouping and even being guilded together, having 6 high level ally chars I don't play anymore makes a tad biased tho.

[Venjenz]

The reason that PVP servers have more guilds clearing content is that by and large, the more hardcore folks are drawn to the PVP servers, either because they are Teh Gankm4ster or share the thinking of many here, thinking all the better players are on PVP servers.

The PVE game is about paying attention and time devotion, not skill. With all the add-ons to the game, the difference between the good PVE player and the bad one is simply how much they give a crap. Statistics show that currently, more poeple give a shit on the PVP servers. Maybe it's because gear matters more in PVP land, where the GankSquad roams free. Maybe it's simply more hardcore thinking. But it isn't smarts, skill or anything else. It's who gives a shit the most about paying attention to the whack a mole thing. Practice is about give a shit, and practice of the encounters and willingness to grind the hours of said practice is a direct measure of give a shit.

So it turns out that 4 guilds on the one PVP server really give a shit, like really, seriously. Good for them. Money says if 25 people on a PVE server had the same amount of time and give-a-shit, they'd be where those other 4 guilds are. You don't get 10 million subscribers by building a game only l33t badasses can have fun at, and WoW gameplay, while fun, wasn't designed around the highest common denominator, eh?

[Horse]

Originally Posted by Venjenz

The reason that PVP servers have more guilds clearing content is that by and large, the more hardcore folks are drawn to the PVP servers, either because they are Teh Gankm4ster or share the thinking of many here, thinking all the better players are on PVP servers.

The only reason I went with PVP was because of EQ PVE, the mindset that once i'm "done with PVE," either for the night or simply finished getting the items I care about out of the expansion, I can then use my gear to PVP.



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[spronk]

imo you are looking at it the wrong way, PVP servers attract more of the type-A personalities who like to organize shit and can yell at people when they fail. PVE and RP servers attract the more laidback people who just like to play around a little bit, but don't want to push anyones buttons or be "that guy" who organizes stuff. Hence, PVP servers advance more rapidly than others.

And time devotion thing is utter bullshit, you can get pretty far in the game gear-wise without spending a ton of time. You won't be near the top but the key is people who don't make mistakes over and over, and everyone in your guild has to have that mentality. Thats a lot harder to find on some servers, especially since player turnover is high.

[Venjenz]

Originally Posted by spronk

imo you are looking at it the wrong way, PVP servers attract more of the type-A personalities who like to organize shit and can yell at people when they fail. PVE and RP servers attract the more laidback people who just like to play around a little bit, but don't want to push anyones buttons or be "that guy" who organizes stuff. Hence, PVP servers advance more rapidly than others.

And time devotion thing is utter bullshit, you can get pretty far in the game gear-wise without spending a ton of time. You won't be near the top but the key is people who don't make mistakes over and over, and everyone in your guild has to have that mentality. Thats a lot harder to find on some servers, especially since player turnover is high.

RIF.

I didn't say it was all about time. I said it was about time AND give-a-shit level. Gotta have both. Time to learn the encounters, give-a-shit to want to learn them. There is nothing beyond that. Paying attention, showing up, doing what raid leaders tell you, grinding consumables, checking fansites for gear optimization, whatever, all boils down to time and give-a-shit level.

End of the day, you're whacking a mole. I prefer to do it in laid back PVE land, others like Gank land.

I'm just sick to death of hearing that playing on a PVP server automagically equates to skill. It doesn't. Bad players don't give a shit, and good players do. Period, the end. Plenty of players on PVE servers who love the game, play well, and simply choose not to have laborious shit like dailies and leveling be that much more annoying.

It's simply an annoying thing to me, because nothing in WoW requires skill, just repetition.