[WoW] Thinking on coming back, how much has it changed?

[Sabyn]

Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

Good stuff, and you're definitely right about my HP, it's hard not to notice other casters nearing or breaking 10k in normal groups and I'm like HAI GUYS HOW ARE - OOPS STIFF BREEZE, I DIED.

I think I found some solid evidence of your guys's hate of PvP-geared folks doing PvE stuff. I got invited to my very first Kara today not because of my massive skill and uber equipment but because they wanted WF totem for their 2 rogue, 1 ret pally, 1 prot pally group. We got about 1/3 of the way through and I placed second on the meters, just a smidge below one of the rogues (the other one being very low, and is the same seen in this pic). We reshuffled some members, got a new shaman, lost the main rogue, and after a bit I took this pic. I'm not trying to brag here, and I feel like the DM always tends to favor the guy posting the numbers, but it does seem rather amusing given the opinion voiced in the past page or two.

I've had the same experience in mid-60s pugs. Maybe I am the only dps giving half a shit, but I have been dominating "the meters" in every pug so far. I don't expect casters to be able to really compete in the mid-60s, but any self respecting rogue or war with lolwfury should at least be running close to me.

Seems like a shitton of people rerolling shamans in this thread heh.

[Auren]

On my server I've found that unless I am rolling with friends or guildies as an enhance shaman I will not get a group instead of any half decent mage/lock or even hunter. The shaman brings no cc to the table and that's usually what the pug people are looking for, a dps that can cc in some way. It has been my experience that being a guildless enhance shaman looking to get into pug heroics is going to be a whole lot of lfg and not much actual playing. Your mileage may vary. I play on blackhand horde side.

[Needless]

Originally Posted by Auren

On my server I've found that unless I am rolling with friends or guildies as an enhance shaman I will not get a group instead of any half decent mage/lock or even hunter. The shaman brings no cc to the table and that's usually what the pug people are looking for, a dps that can cc in some way. It has been my experience that being a guildless enhance shaman looking to get into pug heroics is going to be a whole lot of lfg and not much actual playing. Your mileage may vary. I play on blackhand horde side.

Unfortunately true.. I've never grabbed a PUG Enhancement shaman yet, and i honestly can say i never plan on it either :\ for those reasons you mentioned. Same thing goes to a ret paladin.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Auren

On my server I've found that unless I am rolling with friends or guildies as an enhance shaman I will not get a group instead of any half decent mage/lock or even hunter. The shaman brings no cc to the table and that's usually what the pug people are looking for, a dps that can cc in some way. It has been my experience that being a guildless enhance shaman looking to get into pug heroics is going to be a whole lot of lfg and not much actual playing. Your mileage may vary. I play on blackhand horde side.

Its not really been that bad, honest. Every group needs a tank, healer, cc and dps. Often as not groups want that dps to be a shaman if they have a choice at least thats why they pick me pretty often. I can self, rez, spot emergency heal (this will get you re-invited to groups often) and increase everyones dps to insane levels. I'm an emergency healing class with great dps and great group synergy. Its not hard to find love.

Major I'm just lucky on shattered hand? I know a lot has to do with how well you play and how much people respect you at the end of the instance. I force every paladin to put salvation on me and I throw up my earth elem and kite a mob around to prevent a wipe. People like the show I think.

*Edit Make sure your dropping totems every pull. WF + mana spring + STR is what I do. You'll never run out of mana and they will love you for it.

[Araxen]

On my old server Tanaris it's very true unless you're a restro shaman good lucking finding any pugs. Personally I like having a shaman in the group, but a some people won't take them because they have no cc.

[Sabyn]

The no CC thing is less and less of an issue as the general populace gets better geared. The more you outgear (and thus can steamroll an instance) the less need there is for CC. And most people realize how much enhance shamans can increase group dps.

[The Ancient]

DPS classes that can rez are a godsend for groups w/ resto druid healers.

[Jabberwhacky]

Originally Posted by Sharmai

Hey jabber is this you? The World of Warcraft Armory

It looks like your elem how do you like it? I was thinking about trying it since enhance cannot heal for crap and I was thinking mabye an elemental build could. I hesitate because unleashed rage seems like such a great buff to have and dual wield is fun. But I am alchemy/herb which isn't the best for enhancement.

I do like it. I didn't think I would; I was enhance from 10 until mid-67 and switched over with about 75% of a full suit of various quest/dropped greens. It worked well enough to prevent me from me from speccing back, and I saw that my DPS in general leveling/grinding went from around 380 to around 430. My main reason was I had gotten tired of the routine of SS, ES, wait, wait, ES, wait, SS, wait, ES, etc etc. If they ever add in a new attack I'll probably go back; dual-wielding shamans are sick as hell, but the monotony got to me. And yes, I realize the irony of me saying that Enh is monotonous when most of my fights as Ele come down to LB, LB, CL, LB, LB, LB, CL, but with casts being just 2 or 1.5 seconds, it feels much more interactive. Plus it's easier to heal when you're in a caster-mindset, have higher +healing/mp5, and are not standing next to a mob getting cloven in twain.

It can still be hard to find groups, though. I'm actually getting rather tired of trying to find tanks. I just logged out 5 minutes ago after sitting in a group for 20 minutes trying to fill our last spot with a tank, while also seeing in LFG two other groups looking for tanks. This isn't even finding a good tank, just simply a body to hit Taunt once in a while.

Edit: yes that is me.

[Venjenz]

The runs that crack me up are when I PUG with my Prot pally and I beat huntards on the DPS meters. How a hunter can't do DPS, when really, they don't do much else, is a serious mystery to me.

By far the best PUG players I run across normally are shaman, holy priests, and most mages. I've yet to PUG with a shaman or holy priest who didn't get added as a friend, simply for being really good at their job. Bunch of good mages as well. Have yet to add even one hunter to my friends list, and that's across 4 characters level 60 or higher.

[Aria]

Originally Posted by Venjenz

The runs that crack me up are when I PUG with my Prot pally and I beat huntards on the DPS meters. How a hunter can't do DPS, when really, they don't do much else, is a serious mystery to me.

By far the best PUG players I run across normally are shaman, holy priests, and most mages. I've yet to PUG with a shaman or holy priest who didn't get added as a friend, simply for being really good at their job. Bunch of good mages as well. Have yet to add even one hunter to my friends list, and that's across 4 characters level 60 or higher.

I find that true, but at the same time I find most classes in PUGs usually do a pretty good job, could be just my server though. Hunters ALWAYS suck at whatever they're doing though.

[spronk]

there will always be the 3 guildies from a good raiding guild who wanna pug an instance for some badges->gems, those are the ones that will take (any) shaman above all else for wf/lust, and their heroic run will last 30-45 minutes.

Then there are the 4 ppl who got together in trade chat, and usually are in pvp gear. they will only want a mage for sheep/water. and you don't want to be in their group, cuz it'll take 3 hours, wipe non-stop, spend 5 mins every pull, and usually not make it to the end.

[Vinen]

My favorite group setup involves 2 shamans. I usually end up with Grace of Air then <3.

Love Druid (Tank), Shaman (Healer), Shaman, Mage, Shadow Priest groups.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by spronk

there will always be the 3 guildies from a good raiding guild who wanna pug an instance for some badges->gems, those are the ones that will take (any) shaman above all else for wf/lust, and their heroic run will last 30-45 minutes.

Then there are the 4 ppl who got together in trade chat, and usually are in pvp gear. they will only want a mage for sheep/water. and you don't want to be in their group, cuz it'll take 3 hours, wipe non-stop, spend 5 minutes every pull, and usually not make it to the end.

This was me yesterday night. I didn't even notice it was 3 guildies until I noticed there was no CC and the paladin tank accidentally pulled an additional 5 mobs during one pull for a total of 8..... And no one died... Hell I don't think anyone got close..


It was even better when at the end of the run they apologized to me.. ME!! For not going as fast as they usually do???!! some undergeared shaman whose only benefit is wf/bloodlust... Then they invited me to their next 2 runs since this one went so well.. i love these fucking groups

[Sharmai]

Oh my favorite group now is a Holy priest (love mending), paly tank, shaman dps (me)

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

It can still be hard to find groups, though. I'm actually getting rather tired of trying to find tanks. I just logged out 5 minutes ago after sitting in a group for 20 minutes trying to fill our last spot with a tank, while also seeing in LFG two other groups looking for tanks. This isn't even finding a good tank, just simply a body to hit Taunt once in a while.

Edit: yes that is me.

I have both a 70 druid and 70 paladin tank and I am just tired of tanking. I mean the druid tank was easy to gear up initially but then there's no more gear after that until i run major raid instances. Also it really REALLY sucked when there was more then 3 mobs and the PuG sucked.

The paladin tank just requires a fucking ass load of gear. I think the very first thing a paladin tank is supposed to do is grind the fuck out of pvp for some sword. Sigh tanking just really sucks atm.