[WoW] Thinking on coming back, how much has it changed?

[Vinen]

So easy to outgear Heroics to the point of them being Trivial... I hit 70 about a month and a half ago... and I've already tanked a few Tier 5 bosses with ease- Badge gear is <3.

I've just noticed... the majority of PvP geared players suck at PvE to the point I'd rather take a blue geared person into a Heroic over a Season 2/3 PvP geared person. Makes me sick when I take a fully purple person into MGT and they have NFI how to deal with the second or last boss.

[Azzikai]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

I have absolutly no problem soloing as either healer or tank, it's either down to people assuming they can't grind or playing stupid.

I had a level 60 druid and as restro grinding was fairly fast in feral gear, especially if you get a few of the leather MC/BWL peices rouges never take.
I leveled my priest holy from 60-70 and spent a little time at 70 like that (got 1/2 anetherdrake with it). I would say that Holy is much better to grind with with a moderate amount of +damage (but shadow is godly once you hit around 1200).
I leveled a prot paladin from 1-70 you hardly ever die and can kill 6++ melee mobs at a time.

I would really love to be a tank, or perhaps even a healer again. My problem is that I have too much invested in my main, I think it's great that my character has argent dawn and hydraxian waterlords rep as well as a pvp rank. Combined with Frozen Shadowweave Tailoring and Badge Gear effort it's hard to switch to a healer also.

It isn't a matter of it being difficult, it is a matter of speed. I play a holy Priest that has around 850ish + damage in mostly healing gear unbuffed when I head out to do dailies. I can do them, I have no issue with doing them but speed is definitely not my strong point. Being Shadow in the same gear would make things faster. The same can be said for a prot Warrior or a prot Paladin who is dealing with casting mobs/single targets. It isn't that it is impossible to grind/quest/whatever with pure healing/tanking specs it is just that it is a hell of a lot slower.

Gear levels are also a factor. When people ding 70 and they're in half greens with some dungeon blues their ability to grind as a healer or tank isn't going to be nearly as "fun" as if they were that classes dps spec or a dps class altogether.

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Azzikai

It isn't a matter of it being difficult, it is a matter of speed. I play a holy Priest that has around 850ish + damage in mostly healing gear unbuffed when I head out to do dailies. I can do them, I have no issue with doing them but speed is definitely not my strong point. Being Shadow in the same gear would make things faster. The same can be said for a prot Warrior or a prot Paladin who is dealing with casting mobs/single targets. It isn't that it is impossible to grind/quest/whatever with pure healing/tanking specs it is just that it is a hell of a lot slower.

I think this is the only reason why I hate soloing. Because it takes SO long to kill monsters. It's about 5x as slow as when I leveled my mage to 60.:\

[Grizzlebeard]

Originally Posted by Azzikai

Gear levels are also a factor. When people ding 70 and they're in half greens with some dungeon blues their ability to grind as a healer or tank isn't going to be nearly as "fun" as if they were that classes dps spec or a dps class altogether.

Well, talking purely from a ranged dps perspective until you cap out +hit and have a decent crit level, at least as a destro lock, it's not a whole world of fun seeing back to back resists.

[Chrisb3]

The only difference in speed I have ever noticed is when I got enough +damage to kill lv70 mobs with just two dots. So now I can run around dotting multiple things.
At normal gear levels I don't really see it being too much faster, yeah I could theoretically kill things much faster but I would lose too much mana doing it. Perhaps this is different for melee however.

[Deathwing]

Originally Posted by Azzikai

It isn't a matter of it being difficult, it is a matter of speed. I play a holy Priest that has around 850ish + damage in mostly healing gear unbuffed when I head out to do dailies. I can do them, I have no issue with doing them but speed is definitely not my strong point. Being Shadow in the same gear would make things faster. The same can be said for a prot Warrior or a prot Paladin who is dealing with casting mobs/single targets. It isn't that it is impossible to grind/quest/whatever with pure healing/tanking specs it is just that it is a hell of a lot slower.

Prot warriors are fine, there's quite a few dps talents in the protection tree. Yes, noticeably slower than a DW Fury warrior, but oh no, it takes me a few more seconds to kill a mob.

Even prot pallies, from what I hear, are find too. That is, if they can find a good spot to grab lots of melee mobs to AE down.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Unless you two box you have to blow cooldowns and pots to do it to any kind of effective means. Plus since you're porcupining your repair cost is going to be higher. Plus you'll be drinking a lot. It's be no means fast nor efficient to solo as a protadin. You're best off getting a ret suit and killing 3 mobs at a time and hoping for a shitload of reckoning proc's/parry hasted attacks.

Either way I imagine with how much respec'ing Sunwell has forced guilds to do between fights it's only a matter of time before they fix how respec'ing works. Talent stables seems the simplest and most 'blizzard-esque' solution.

[Zest]

Healer soloing is easier if you wear your healing gear. The spell damage combined with the huge spirit let you kill stuff every 15 seconds or so without really needing to drink a lot between mana cooldowns.

[Caocao]

Originally Posted by Zest

Healer soloing is easier if you wear your healing gear. The spell damage combined with the huge spirit let you kill stuff every 15 seconds or so without really needing to drink a lot between mana cooldowns.

The 1/3 spell dmg from healing gear is really nice no a days. Can get some pretty nasty spell dmg on well geared healers now.

[Littles]

Originally Posted by Caocao

The 1/3 spell dmg from healing gear is really nice no a days. Can get some pretty nasty spell dmg on well geared healers now.

Oh yeah my 2300 healing druid gets 800 dmg woo(makes those untalented 890 wraths awesome!)

[Needless]

Originally Posted by Vinen

So easy to outgear Heroics to the point of them being Trivial... I hit 70 about a month and a half ago... and I've already tanked a few Tier 5 bosses with ease- Badge gear is <3.

I've just noticed... the majority of PvP geared players suck at PvE to the point I'd rather take a blue geared person into a Heroic over a Season 2/3 PvP geared person. Makes me sick when I take a fully purple person into MGT and they have NFI how to deal with the second or last boss.

Truth.. Ive tried doing EASY heroics with S3 players.. full S3 youd assume they know something about the game. Go Vengeful or go home is the pvp guild on hyjal horde.. buncha stupid fucks man couldnt do PVE if their lives depended on it.

[Grizzlebeard]

Originally Posted by Needless

Truth.. Ive tried doing EASY heroics with S3 players.. full S3 youd assume they know something about the game. Go Vengeful or go home is the pvp guild on hyjal horde.. buncha stupid fucks man couldnt do PVE if their lives depended on it.

Ironically, I was in WSG this weekend and some mental giant upset at losing was spamming the BG channel with, "PVE RETARDS!! FUK OFF FROM PVP!!"

[Kreugen]

Serious business indeed.

I did a 3 hour normal botanica Sunday night while watching the game. That's after skipping the hellfire boss.

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by Kreugen

Serious business indeed.

I did a 3 hour normal botanica Sunday night while watching the game. That's after skipping the hellfire boss.

Thats sad... pickup group for fail... usually takes friends and I ~1 hour on Heroic.

It's gotten so bad that if I get a Heroic invite I goto the Wowarmory and check every members gear. If it's subpar or I see an overloaded amount of PvP gear on more then one player I just drop from the group and go back to searching. They can waste another tanks time.

[Needless]

Originally Posted by Vinen

Thats sad... pickup group for fail... usually takes friends and I ~1 hour on Heroic.

It's gotten so bad that if I get a Heroic invite I goto the Wowarmory and check every members gear. If it's subpar or I see an overloaded amount of PvP gear on more then one player I just drop from the group and go back to searching. They can waste another tanks time.

Likewise.. Heroic Bot takes maybe an hour. The only PVP geared people i trust are friends ive played with since EQ. whom one is a resto shm in full S3 who actually knows how to heal very well in pvp and pve. and then a mage friend whom is in mostly pvp gear but getting badge gear along the way.

I ALWAYS armory somebody if i have to stoop to grabbing somebody via pug, and like you if i see a lack of CC or absurd ammounts of Season1 gimps i just leave as well (im also a tank heh)