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Jabberwhacky · 10-08-2008, 06:51 PM

This is my shaman: Link.

If I just swapped right over to Resto would I be able to heal heroics? If not, what's a good baseline for shaman healing?

James · 10-08-2008, 08:41 PM

No, you should have around 1k healing to start seriously healing heroics. You can work with less than that if you're really, really good and you have a tank that knows what he's doing. Any full set combination of basically healing greens and blues should get you to around the number you need to be at.

spronk · 10-09-2008, 09:49 AM

id just say ele and get into any groups you can, any heroic pugs that take a <1k heal resto will probably wipe a lot, and by the time you do gear up wotlk will be out.

starting next week things are going to be crazy anyways, with patch 3.0 no ones gonna know which classes are good/bad, what exactly the spellpower conversions are, most mods not working, etc. it could make pug heroics/raiding extremely easy or extremely difficult.

Dabamf · 10-10-2008, 01:46 PM

I'd like to just say fuck you to people who talked about how awesome mal'ganis was with the endless pugs, without mentioning the colossal level of douchebaggery that exists there.. I transfered there because my old server was a ghosttown and I HATE it. Jesus christ the amount of wannabe-badasses makes me want to drill my brain out.

On my other server there were a lot of retards, but at least those retards kept quiet and often knew they sucked. On Mal'Ganis, there are just as many retards and instead of being the quiet, modest retards they are just as loud and obnoxious as anyone else and they start throwing blame on other people. Every wipe on almost every group people immediately start yelling at each other, and the most vocal ones are usually the ones who suck. This NEVER happened on my old server, the only ones who were dicks were the ones who knew what they were doing. Hell, I used to choose pug's based on how much of a dick the leader was.

Mal'Ganis is a cesspool of retards and wannabe-ethugs. Do yourself a favor and do not ever transfer here.

On a side note, I am looking for a guild on Mal'Ganis (haha) because I don't have $75 to transfer my 3 characters off it again. I have a rogue, prot war, and mage, and other than being gone the weekend of WotLK I have tons of play time. If you have a guild that knows what they are doing and aren't super cocky for no reason, hit me a pm.

Vehn · 10-10-2008, 02:29 PM

yeh I'm on mal'ganis as a resto shammy, and I really couldn't get into any heroics til I got at least 1500 healing, with kara/gruul/mag being able to do at around 1700 before people would invite you. Doubt I'll get into a kara badge run or ZA until 2k+ either -_-

Dabamf · 10-10-2008, 03:50 PM

That's another thing that drives me crazy. If you aren't mega geared no one wants you. I struggle to get a heroic group with my new 70 rogue with both s2 weapons and the rest blues, even though I outdps many people in 2/3 epics and know exactly what I'm doing. Kara pugs in mostly blues fail absolutely miserably yet that is the level of gear the zone is tuned for. God I wished I had transfer to a different high pop server with less ethugs. I wish I could punch them in the face through my computer.

spronk · 10-12-2008, 09:25 AM

Join any guild that runs kara weekly and will take you, gear up, and then you can join the "decent" pugs that screen its members. There is no way for a pug leader to know how well someone may do other than their gear. Plus there are so many geared people, why bother taking anyone undergeared.

I run the full spectrum of pugs since I have 2 very geared out (T5/badge) chars and 5-6 undergeared (multibox team). On my geared pally/mage I get into 4 chest ZA runs, 30 min gruul/mag 1 shot runs, < 2 hour kara runs, 5/5 Hyjal, SSC, and TK pugs, etc. Its easy to just inspect every other person in the raid and drop out if any single person is in mostly blues (or has a single green), there is always another pug 30 minutes later.

On my shamans though I rarely get into any great raid pug, occassionally my resto shaman (+1400 heals) will get into a good pug that just needs 1 more healer, and he's slowly gearing up. Every week I join some fail kara on another shammy and they usually call it after 2-3 bosses. I don't care though, thats some more kara rep and usually 1 item I'll get. Plus as a multiboxer I can collect 20-30 badges a day if I really wanted, although I just run mech/SP due to time constraints and collect 4-6 badges a day.

Its just a long, slow process - no point now really, the best thing to do before WOTLK is just farm gold, farm honor till 75k cap, and have as many professions as you can covered. The real advantage of a high pop server like Malganis, Blackrock, Tich, Mugthol, etc is that there are always pugs for everything, there are usually short Q times for arena and BGs, and once you do reach certain levels of gear you will get into very good groups.

Oh, and use the add-friends feature with the little note thing, my friends list is full of people who are either good puggers or really bad ones (I use a mod called AuldLangSyne, but Blizzard default UI has friend notes now too).

Miele · 10-12-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

This is my shaman: Link.

If I just swapped right over to Resto would I be able to heal heroics? If not, what's a good baseline for shaman healing?

For healing about 1000-1100 for the easy heroics, obtainable without too much effort. You can around 1200 unbuffed, heal Kara if the tank is decent.

My resto shaman is at 1600ish now (1700ish with totem, more with food, pots, etc), Kara/Badge geared with only the helm from S2 (I don't like pvp enough to get me another piece) and can solo heal Kara tanked by a prot pally geared pretty much like me (although I do it with a shadow priest around most of the times), the only fight giving me some headache is Shade for the constant moving, but it's not a big deal anyway (and Riptide should help lots here, instant heal is something I always missed a lot).

One thing I suggest is to look into the blue pvp gear set, bought from vendors at honored rep: Seer's Ringmail Battlegear - Item Set - World of Warcraft
It has a decent amount of healing by itself and good stamina on top.

You'll have mana problems in 3.0 without good mp5 numbers, so it's a stat you shouldn't forget.

Angerz · 10-12-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dabamf

I'd like to just say fuck you to people who talked about how awesome mal'ganis was with the endless pugs, without mentioning the colossal level of douchebaggery that exists there.. I transfered there because my old server was a ghosttown and I HATE it. Jesus christ the amount of wannabe-badasses makes me want to drill my brain out.

I'm pretty sure that was also discussed. Horde has Goons and Alliance has everyone helping the douchebag quota reach its mark.

And I am probably unfairly making fun of all the goons, but they've earned it in the last 4 years.

Vehn · 10-12-2008, 09:43 PM

I did ZA with the goons last night and upgraded my seer's ringmail chest with the healing chest from zul'jin, so they're not all that bad!

Auryan · 10-15-2008, 05:16 PM

Some goons are good, some are assholes. Paying $10 to use a msg board doesn't weed out jerks or attract teamwork oriented helpful people.

Jabberwhacky · 10-15-2008, 06:23 PM

Am I mistaken, or with the change to spellpower did I just become an equally-geared healer while wearing my Elemental gear?

Wilfan · 10-16-2008, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

Am I mistaken, or with the change to spellpower did I just become an equally-geared healer while wearing my Elemental gear?

Yes, esp. since crit seems to be actually usefully for Resto shammies, unlike other "spell dps or healer" classes. Crit overheal is small when you're spamming CH and you get Ancestral Awakening procs and mana regen when you're not. Still, wait for the EJ wizards to calculate whether mp5 will be needed more than crit for WotLK.

Brikker · 10-16-2008, 03:25 AM

The difference between Ele healing and Resto healing is not small.

And, at level 70 at least, the Resto Shaman game is still Chain Heal spam. Lots of those new talents don't work with CH =/

Pyros · 10-16-2008, 03:46 AM

He didn't say anything about healing in elem spec, but using his elem gear for healing, which works quite nicely especially since elem sham iirc didn't have a lot of spellhit on their gear due to talents. Might not be optimal for every piece, but good enough and better than a feral going resto without a gear change ^^.

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10-08-2008, 06:51 PM	#1141 (permalink)
Jabberwhacky Walker told me I have AIDS Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In da FACE!! (two times) Posts: 2,854	This is my shaman: Link. If I just swapped right over to Resto would I be able to heal heroics? If not, what's a good baseline for shaman healing?

10-09-2008, 09:49 AM	#1143 (permalink)
spronk nerd Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,533	id just say ele and get into any groups you can, any heroic pugs that take a <1k heal resto will probably wipe a lot, and by the time you do gear up wotlk will be out. starting next week things are going to be crazy anyways, with patch 3.0 no ones gonna know which classes are good/bad, what exactly the spellpower conversions are, most mods not working, etc. it could make pug heroics/raiding extremely easy or extremely difficult.

10-10-2008, 01:46 PM	#1144 (permalink)
Dabamf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,851 +1 Internets	I'd like to just say fuck you to people who talked about how awesome mal'ganis was with the endless pugs, without mentioning the colossal level of douchebaggery that exists there.. I transfered there because my old server was a ghosttown and I HATE it. Jesus christ the amount of wannabe-badasses makes me want to drill my brain out. On my other server there were a lot of retards, but at least those retards kept quiet and often knew they sucked. On Mal'Ganis, there are just as many retards and instead of being the quiet, modest retards they are just as loud and obnoxious as anyone else and they start throwing blame on other people. Every wipe on almost every group people immediately start yelling at each other, and the most vocal ones are usually the ones who suck. This NEVER happened on my old server, the only ones who were dicks were the ones who knew what they were doing. Hell, I used to choose pug's based on how much of a dick the leader was. Mal'Ganis is a cesspool of retards and wannabe-ethugs. Do yourself a favor and do not ever transfer here. On a side note, I am looking for a guild on Mal'Ganis (haha) because I don't have $75 to transfer my 3 characters off it again. I have a rogue, prot war, and mage, and other than being gone the weekend of WotLK I have tons of play time. If you have a guild that knows what they are doing and aren't super cocky for no reason, hit me a pm.

10-10-2008, 02:29 PM	#1145 (permalink)
Vehn Hurm... Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,563 +2 Internets	yeh I'm on mal'ganis as a resto shammy, and I really couldn't get into any heroics til I got at least 1500 healing, with kara/gruul/mag being able to do at around 1700 before people would invite you. Doubt I'll get into a kara badge run or ZA until 2k+ either -_-

10-10-2008, 03:50 PM	#1146 (permalink)
Dabamf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,851 +1 Internets	That's another thing that drives me crazy. If you aren't mega geared no one wants you. I struggle to get a heroic group with my new 70 rogue with both s2 weapons and the rest blues, even though I outdps many people in 2/3 epics and know exactly what I'm doing. Kara pugs in mostly blues fail absolutely miserably yet that is the level of gear the zone is tuned for. God I wished I had transfer to a different high pop server with less ethugs. I wish I could punch them in the face through my computer.

10-12-2008, 09:25 AM	#1147 (permalink)
spronk nerd Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,533	Join any guild that runs kara weekly and will take you, gear up, and then you can join the "decent" pugs that screen its members. There is no way for a pug leader to know how well someone may do other than their gear. Plus there are so many geared people, why bother taking anyone undergeared. I run the full spectrum of pugs since I have 2 very geared out (T5/badge) chars and 5-6 undergeared (multibox team). On my geared pally/mage I get into 4 chest ZA runs, 30 min gruul/mag 1 shot runs, < 2 hour kara runs, 5/5 Hyjal, SSC, and TK pugs, etc. Its easy to just inspect every other person in the raid and drop out if any single person is in mostly blues (or has a single green), there is always another pug 30 minutes later. On my shamans though I rarely get into any great raid pug, occassionally my resto shaman (+1400 heals) will get into a good pug that just needs 1 more healer, and he's slowly gearing up. Every week I join some fail kara on another shammy and they usually call it after 2-3 bosses. I don't care though, thats some more kara rep and usually 1 item I'll get. Plus as a multiboxer I can collect 20-30 badges a day if I really wanted, although I just run mech/SP due to time constraints and collect 4-6 badges a day. Its just a long, slow process - no point now really, the best thing to do before WOTLK is just farm gold, farm honor till 75k cap, and have as many professions as you can covered. The real advantage of a high pop server like Malganis, Blackrock, Tich, Mugthol, etc is that there are always pugs for everything, there are usually short Q times for arena and BGs, and once you do reach certain levels of gear you will get into very good groups. Oh, and use the add-friends feature with the little note thing, my friends list is full of people who are either good puggers or really bad ones (I use a mod called AuldLangSyne, but Blizzard default UI has friend notes now too).

10-12-2008, 09:43 PM	#1150 (permalink)
Vehn Hurm... Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,563 +2 Internets	I did ZA with the goons last night and upgraded my seer's ringmail chest with the healing chest from zul'jin, so they're not all that bad!

10-15-2008, 05:16 PM	#1151 (permalink)
Auryan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 75 -5 Internets	Some goons are good, some are assholes. Paying $10 to use a msg board doesn't weed out jerks or attract teamwork oriented helpful people.

10-15-2008, 06:23 PM	#1152 (permalink)
Jabberwhacky Walker told me I have AIDS Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In da FACE!! (two times) Posts: 2,854	Am I mistaken, or with the change to spellpower did I just become an equally-geared healer while wearing my Elemental gear?

10-16-2008, 03:25 AM	#1154 (permalink)
Brikker Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: A San Francisco Police Station Posts: 857	The difference between Ele healing and Resto healing is not small. And, at level 70 at least, the Resto Shaman game is still Chain Heal spam. Lots of those new talents don't work with CH =/

10-16-2008, 03:46 AM	#1155 (permalink)
Pyros Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,631 +24 Internets	He didn't say anything about healing in elem spec, but using his elem gear for healing, which works quite nicely especially since elem sham iirc didn't have a lot of spellhit on their gear due to talents. Might not be optimal for every piece, but good enough and better than a feral going resto without a gear change ^^.