[WoW] Thinking on coming back, how much has it changed?

[Sharmai]

I didn't have a point. I was just ranting. Ignore it if you will.

more ranting..
It wasn't any easier to find 'skilled' players then on my first alt then it is now on my 7th. All the purples these players have haven't made instance runs any better just longer. sucky players suck just as much in purples as in blues except now they steal aggro all the time or don't know how or when they should pickup the loose mob. Like trading one set of problems for another..

It doesn't really have anything to do with how many alts I have or how I remember "this one time..." its just that I'd like to play with skilled casual players because you can tell when your playing with them. progression is nice but playing with skilled players at any level of the game is more fun for me. But I'm ranting soo....

/rant off.. again..

[Loot]

Originally Posted by Sharmai

I didn't have a point. I was just ranting. Ignore it if you will.

Well yeah, I know what you're saying. I can see how it must suck if you haven't completely gotten horrible WoW raiding out of your system at this point and actually wanna do some of it.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Loot

Well yeah, I know what you're saying. I can see how it must suck if you haven't completely gotten horrible WoW raiding out of your system at this point and actually wanna do some of it.

Well I'm not really into WoW hate... I like WoW for what it is and thats a casual game. I'll like it even more when there are achievements that will show who the players are that excel at their characters and didn't just grind there way up.

Stuff like finish x instance in x amount of time. Or x man this instance. Ones that may not be extremely hard to accomplish but do require you know your character well enough to be considered "skilled" for WoW standards..

[Draegan]

So how do you go about finding a good guild these days? I'm not going to spam these forums for one, since no one really advertises. The realm forums are awful and you can't get a sense of who those people are other than looking at their website. I'd like to be in a guild with people who post on sites like this and actually know about game mechanics. But most of those people are in hard core type guilds. I would love to join those hardcore mindset guilds, but I don't have the time to commit to them at all.

I guess that's what happens when you grow up.

[rangoth]

I am having the same problem as you two(Draegan & Sharmai). I don't have the time or class(screw me for playing warrior and refusing to alt cause im lame) to join an uber raiding guild so Im shafted too.

I have a few close friends that are "skilled" as you guys say. I also just slowly over time continue to add good people to my friends list. So on any given night I can do any heroic zero problem, under 1 hour always, shorter depending on instance. I also have the ability to run kara pugs with almost perfect success also. Problem is that I can't form a guild with these folk because most of them are in some uber guild. But I've been grouping with them so long we are still friends and even though they outgear me they trust me to run anything my gear can tank(zero upgrades for me outside of 25man/ZA).

If you stick with it long enough and just keep adding friends that are good and ignoring those that are not you eventually do hit a good baseline. I've found that while WoW seems to have lower baseline skill(just my opinion not trying to fuel a debate) there are many good players out there and if you are social they pop up.

All that being said however if you guys want to reroll or transfer to Spirestone I have no problem helping you level up, grouping with you, etc. Right now I am just in some small no-name guild. It's has a few really good people and then some of their friends/etc that are so-so. You are welcome to come over and join us and if shit don't work out I have my alt's holding my old guild(zero members) and we could all shift over there. I think I have 3-5 close people that would go. Add in you two and ask some others and it might be enough to actually 10 man the expasion Just an offer anyway.

Whatever you do have fun,

rangothonline@gmail.com

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Draegan

So how do you go about finding a good guild these days? I'm not going to spam these forums for one, since no one really advertises. The realm forums are awful and you can't get a sense of who those people are other than looking at their website. I'd like to be in a guild with people who post on sites like this and actually know about game mechanics. But most of those people are in hard core type guilds. I would love to join those hardcore mindset guilds, but I don't have the time to commit to them at all.

I guess that's what happens when you grow up.

I've been looking.. I can find skilled players in hardcore guilds but never skilled players in casual/social guilds...

[Grave]

Rangoth: are you horde on Spirestone?

I actually have a couple friends there that have been trying to get me to roll a character up. I think a casual guild made up of skilled players would be pretty enjoyable. I'd certainly be interested in it.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Grave

Rangoth: are you horde on Spirestone?

I actually have a couple friends there that have been trying to get me to roll a character up. I think a casual guild made up of skilled players would be pretty enjoyable. I'd certainly be interested in it.

I sure am! Orc Warrior. Right now I tank, but to group with good people I'd be willing to switch specs to make shit work. I really don't want to reroll though....
Call it part lazy, part old-school addiction to character/factions/tradeskills etc. But I welcome you guys if you want to come. Right now there probably isn't too much we can do unless we want to make or join a 25 man(Im not overly interested in that), but if we got a solid 10-15 together we could do awesome come the expansion!

[Mythas]

There are plenty of skilled people out there with small "casual" playtimes. One of the best pvp mages on Ruin * a very decent bg not the "best" but decent" only logged on about 12 hours a week to just pvp. Was an old guildy of mine and was just good at the game. He had the top 5v5 and one of the top 3's teams in the bg.

I would consider myself very skilled at the game despite playing maybe 10 - 14 hrs a week depending on my work / school load.

You have to be willing to look, some times those skilled players despite how "ezmode epics" are to achieve may or may not have them. That same pvp mage i mentioned would roll up to an instance in all pvp gear, and you may think "god what a pvp scrub", and be dismissive. Then 2 seconds later he pulls and has every mob in the pull under control in some way shape or form and kiting them nearly indefinately with a supreme skill in los abuse!

The problem with the "skilled" casual guild idea is well more than one problem.

First: you all admit you are casual, which by nature isn't condusive to getting 10 people in the same place at the same time. This leads to problem number two

Second: Since problem one exists you need more people to fill the roster to account for other said "casual" people because you can't depend on them to be on.

Thrid: Because of one and two you are increasing your sample size and decreasing the average skill level. This is the reason why "casual" guilds of small size never really work. The good players that have above avg play time get tired of waiting on everyone to log on and they just go join a hardcore guild.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Mythas

Stuff....

Right, Right, and Right again.... bastard...

I can't have my cake and eat it to. I know what I really want is a big guild full of skilled players whom can pick up 5/10/25 people on the spot anytime of the day and do something that makes you go wow!

I can dream right? Sigh.....

[spronk]

Hopefully the WOTLK changes will allow more small casual guilds without forcing members to choose between progression and limited playtime. I like to raid, but not every week, and only 2-3x a week. But theres no way you can do that and try to clear Sunwell.

Right now really the best thing to do is enjoy the game, try out different classes and experiences. 2-4 months till expansion is out is not a lot of time.

server choice is absolutely critical btw, I would honestly only pick one of 3-4 servers now - Malganis, Blackrock, Tich. I moved from Korgath, the #4 pve server, to Blackrock, and its a night and day difference. Korgath had ok raid/arena pugs, but during daytime a /who arena would list always < 10 people. On blackrock anytime there are more than 40 people in arena. Nightly I see multiple Kara, ZA, Gruul, Mag pugs forming. There is a daily Sunwell trash farming pug. Heroics out the ass. And this was from the #4 server to the #2 server, I can't even imagine how shitty it must be lower down.

[Falmer]

Originally Posted by spronk

Right now really the best thing to do is enjoy the game, try out different classes and experiences. 2-4 months till expansion is out is not a lot of time.

Exactly, trying to catch up now would result in a huge burnout, given you'd be looking at days /played to even start some serious pve/pvp.

[Draegan]

Here's my problem though. I want to play a DK in the expansion, much like 10000's of other people, and playing a toon right now would be boring since I won't use them later on (I hate playing alts). But I can't create that social network without playing, but playing now is wasted character advancement so-to-speak. Buuuut.. who's gonna allow a random DK to join their guild come WOTLK.

[Kasi]

Ugh, yeah I quit WoW 3 months ago after 2.5 years of playing. Was in Sunwell (2 bosses down) and all that with a pretty pimped shaman, but yeah the game just lost its appeal to me. It's impossible for me to see past the grind, or the players who will fuck with you all in the sake of their status or some purples.

Basically the game for me now comes down to this. The solo and 5 man game is fun at the start but in the end ultimately unfulfilling and pretty much worthless if you don't really like Arenas. So eventually you are going to have to raid. I tried playing casually last year. It just didn't work. It eventually got boring as hell. And well raiding, there are very few guilds good enough to do great on 2 nights a week of raiding, and that is about all the time I'm willing to reserve for a game.

Between being impossible to think past the grind, and knowing that if I came back in I'd have to raid to get any enjoyment out of it, WoW will need to reinvent itself before I could ever come back to it. What gameplay addition would be enough for me to not think this is the same old shit. Wrath just seems like more of the same crap with a few new features. Nothing has fundamentally changed. And hovering over the whole thing is that I'd have to be lucky to get into a guild that wouldn't have members fuck me over about epeen bs, unrealistic demands or trivial bullshit drama.

[Needless]

DDDDDDDDDDDDIVINE STORM.

On another note, im leveling an enhancement shaman on a pvp server. So fun pretty much 1 rounding any horde i see lol