[WoW] Thinking on coming back, how much has it changed?

[Araxen]

Paladins are by far better multi-mob tankers than warriors or druids..which where they shine the best in instances.

If I had to choose what I wanted a warrior or a paladin in an instance..I choose Paladin 100% of the time. In raids? Warrior 90% of the time. There lies the balance between the two tanks. Druids fit in there when you can't find either of the other two classes.

[Zehn - Vhex]

That isn't balance. That's called 'retarded.'

Edit: Paladins aren't bad tanks. Currently in WoW there is no such thing as a bad tanking class, just people who are terrible at tanking. The only real short comings is how awful Paladin taunt has turned out to be and an unparalleled uselessness when not tanking. I was just contesting that tanking as a paladin requires no thought or effort. While this may be true when tanking in 5 man's for people who can't put out 2k dps, the face of the game changes entirely under many circumstances.

[Everlast]

So an odd thing happened to me...I had an account on a PvP realm and it got hacked. My main an alliance toon was deleted in the process, so while waiting for the character restore I made some horde guys. I since had my alliance character restored, but I also still have the horde now. Long story short, I have alliance and horde characters on the same account.

[Kais[]]

okay? that's nothing new or uncommon. theres nothing in place restricting you to a faction. You can have multiple horde or alliance characters on the same, or multiple, servers.

[Everlast]

Originally Posted by Kais[]

okay? that's nothing new or uncommon. theres nothing in place restricting you to a faction. You can have multiple horde or alliance characters on the same, or multiple, servers.

not on a PvP server, you're restricted to either horde or alliance.

[Brikker]

Yea, as far as I remember (unless it was changed), only one faction per PVP server per account.

[Jabberwhacky]

Can you mail to your chars across faction? That'd be pretty sweet.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

That isn't balance. That's called 'retarded.'

Edit: Paladins aren't bad tanks. Currently in WoW there is no such thing as a bad tanking class, just people who are terrible at tanking. The only real short comings is how awful Paladin taunt has turned out to be and an unparalleled uselessness when not tanking. I was just contesting that tanking as a paladin requires no thought or effort. While this may be true when tanking in 5 man's for people who can't put out 2k dps, the face of the game changes entirely under many circumstances.

Consecration alone won't hold aggro off a 2k dps class, obviously, but if you're given one thing to tank, or several things and you know the order the DPS is going to kill them in, it's not that hard.

Roughly 80% of paladin threat relies on the target standing still and hitting you. Granted warriors aren't much better off either with being rage starved if not hitting shit.

But no, it's not 'lol ezmoad afktank!' in any content that matters.

80% of Paladin threat requires you to take damage, not that the mob be hitting you. Holy Shield is like 25% of your threat in BT gear and less than that in Sunwell gear. For example, you can take a few fel acids or a breath and keep up with the other Warrior OT on Gurtogg just fine.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Thanks for agreeing with me?

[kaid]

It is not consecration alone it is also holy shield which does holy damage to attack that is blocked and has I think 8 charges or so every 10 seconds and retribution aura which also does holy damage every time somebody attacks the paladin.

If you let the paladin get hit initially and not try to instantly yank a mob from them the paladin is very safe high levels of consistant aoe threat to large numbers of mobs.

My boomkin can pull agro from a paladin but I have to really be letting the mob have it to do so.

[Auren]

So i was away for a while and recently have been getting the shit nuked out of me by moonkin druids. Bring me up to speed here please. Last I played moonkin druids were mostly shunned as the red headed stepchild of druids. Did they drastically improve them or is current gear just doing that much for that spec?

[Agraza]

AFAIK it is the gear. Last I heard they were sub-par. In PvP they're quite a bit more useful than in PvE.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by kaid

It is not consecration alone it is also holy shield which does holy damage to attack that is blocked and has I think 8 charges or so every 10 seconds and retribution aura which also does holy damage every time somebody attacks the paladin.

If you let the paladin get hit initially and not try to instantly yank a mob from them the paladin is very safe high levels of consistant aoe threat to large numbers of mobs.

My boomkin can pull agro from a paladin but I have to really be letting the mob have it to do so.

I know that. Holy Shield doesn't scale well, it's 20-25% of your threat and goes lower and lower as your gear improves.

Warrior and Druid threat also sucks if they're not taking damage, I'm not sure what the problem is.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by Auren

So i was away for a while and recently have been getting the shit nuked out of me by moonkin druids. Bring me up to speed here please. Last I played moonkin druids were mostly shunned as the red headed stepchild of druids. Did they drastically improve them or is current gear just doing that much for that spec?

Moonkin Druids do basically the same DPS as Fire Mages. Of course, that still sucks, as Mages are also a gimp class right now.

[Antoine]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

Moonkin Druids do basically the same DPS as Fire Mages. Of course, that still sucks, as Mages are also a gimp class right now.

maybe you can find me a moonkin that does more than 2500 dps, like mages do?
because I sure can't.