[VG] The Current State of Vanguard

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

So, I guess the million dollar question is (from someone without brown colored glasses)....is Vanguard worth it in the long run? Is there significant content yet for maxed out characters to do like WoW?

Last I played was beta, and the game was a mess then so I've been pretty hesitant to sub and give it a second chance, and it sounds like the lag and technical problems still exist. I'm typically a one woman man with MMOs, so I don't want to get a bunch of time invested if the game will just be disappointing.

It has the best monk class of any MMO currently going. So yes. Just be sure to get the Xenn jump boots. Jump boots + (monk only) soaring leap = complete win.

[Agonizing]

Who are the crowd control classes in game?

[Tenks]

Originally Posted by Agonizing

Who are the crowd control classes in game?

Psi are THE main CC class in the game. However bards get some good CC as well.


Sorry for not being on in forever. GTA4 is ruling my life.

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Agonizing

Who are the crowd control classes in game?

Psionicists, then bards. But they're decently matched so i'd choose based on whether you want a caster or a melee character.
Psioncists can CC up to 4 targets with a strait CC (upcoming in Gu5: the only CC that makes a mob "invalid target" ie, unbreakable), a charm, the mob that your charmed pet attacks, and a spell called simulcrum which summons a pet (that only does hate, no damage) against a single enemy. Psionicists also get an ae mez and good mana/haste buffs.

Bards have a short charm and a CC and a wide variety of buffs through their song abilities.

Both of these classes have a lull.

With that said, you won't always need a full CC class--the only benefit they provide over multiple, limited CC classes is the added coordination of a single person doing all the CC. I don't know all the classes CC abilities too well, but I know that other classes have limited CC Sorcs, Rogues, and necros (possibly undead-only?). Rogues can CC two targets, but only out of combat (remezzable if you stay out of combat). Sorc can only mez one. Not sure about necros, like I said. Shaman and cleric have root spells. A specific path of cleric gets a lull spell. Druids, as far as I know, don't have a CC ability but have a lull and probably a root. Monks get a short-CC but it's only usable out of combat (not as much an issue as with rogues--monks have a short cool down on feign death but rogues can only use it every 10 and later 5 minutes). The cooldown on the monk CC might be too long to chain-CC though.
Hmm...I might be missing some but that's a pretty good overview.

[Pyros]

Well I don't know every class, but here's a rundown of every CC I know:
Warrior: Nothing good afaik
Paladin: Single target lull, might have some undead CC but not sure
Dread Knight: Out of Combat CC(have to use shadowstep to land it), and a casted Fear

Bard: Single target long duration Mez, Single target Lull, Short duration Charm(20-30secs)
Rogue: 1(you said 2?) OOC Mez, afaik only usable on humanoid/beast mobs
Ranger: No idea, maybe an animal charm spell but unsure
Monk: Single target OOC mez(but since they can FD they can recast it in combat I believe)

Shaman: Nothing afaik, but might be patron specific stuff
Cleric: Lull and some Root spell but might be affinity specific
Blood Mage: Root and a short duration charm symbiote. Might have a lull but unsure
Disciple: Crappy single target mez, can only use it on a mob hitting you, and you get it at a pretty high lvl(34 I think).

Necro: Fear, Undead mez(can be used with another spell that turns a monster to undead status, but takes longer to setup)
Psionicist: Single target Mez, Short and Long charm(long is more restricted in terms of monster type it can hit), Simulacrum which sometimes work and can CC a mob(often fails when a lot of healing is flying around though, and some mobs are straight up immune for no specific reason), Lull with a short(4s) recast, pbae instant short mez, next patch pbae short root.
Druid: Single target animal/fae mez, a lull that might also be restricted, pbae instant powerful root, 2 single target roots(one long and one medium)
Sorc: Single target mez(might be restricted to sentient stuff), pbae instant root, might have some other stuff I don't know about.


So here you go, that's about it, by far the psi is the strongest, with bard close second. The big big thing about my psi isn't so much the amount I can CC, but the time I can buy to setup and efficient CC barrage with other classes. When we aggro a patrol or whatever, I run right into it and instant pbae mez. It gives 8secs to everyone to sort it out. Tank breaks one, bard charm one then start mezing another, while I'll charm and mez too. Since recast is 10secs, I can also keep a decent number of mobs CCed for about 15secs(diminishing returns on the AE mez so you can't actually chain AE mez everything).

One thing to note though, charmed mobs can't hold aggro for shit if there's healing going around, and same for simulacrums. They're actually not very reliable CC.

Even in the dungeons with lots of patrols, a balanced group without a bard or a psi should still manage to have enough CC, especially since some classes can effectively tank adds for short periods of time. But a good psi or bard can prevent a wipe, especially a psi with the AE mez thing. When you aggro a patrol of 2mobs that link 2 others, and your healer land a big heal on the tank at that moment, you're pretty much fucked without a psi to take out the 4mobs out of combat until you land CCs or the tank uses rescue, or a druid casting invuln on the healer.

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Pyros

Rogue: 1(you said 2?) OOC Mez, afaik only usable on humanoid/beast mobs

2 for sure, usable on any mezzable target. One of them is a dart (rogue crafting) but it works just like any other ability (you just need to keep them stocked). The dart lasts shorter than blackjack, but it's instant and you can do it from range which is nice.

Blackjack is also instant but you need to be stealthed, out of combat, and behind the mob. Basically it doesn't resist but if you get seen you fail. I forgot to mention that blacjack is also a lull if you do it before anyone else engages (ie, if you sneak up behind a mob and hit it). Using blackjack will not pull you out of stealth. If you blackjack a mob that someone has already aggroed, the mob will aggro after the blackjack wears off.

Rogues used to actually be able to mez unlimited targets out of combat with their dart...they ninja nerfed that but I guess it was kinda broken.

[hauwk]

Instead of AE mezzing as step #1, (im assuming you have a "target nearest enemy" button set) Just shortcharm the first inc, and immediately tap your nearest enemy button and tell pet to attack (it'l let him build sufficient hate before heals start going off and you've already got 2 locked down) . Step 2 = ae mez after the inc crowd gets a little past your pet, then pop a mez on one, simul other, If your pulling over a little distance, you can get 3-4 locked down before mobs get to group heh.

Lots of psi's bitch about our CC ability, but they put it in the game, they just made it so you cant be a fucking retard to use it. The psi has the ability to lock down 4-5 targets at once, but it's not done via sticking a stopwatch on your desk and spamming your mez button like EQ.. so people bitch. You'll notice a massive difference when you play wtih a badass psi, and a dumbass one (ie buttonmasher).

[hauwk]

or get a sorc and drop 2-3 thought pulses, have sorc ae snare and kite around while your group picks off singles lol. There's so many way's to mitigate bad pulls in Vanguard it's pretty cool to see how people work some situations out.

[hauwk]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

So, I guess the million dollar question is (from someone without brown colored glasses)....is Vanguard worth it in the long run? Is there significant content yet for maxed out characters to do like WoW?

Last I played was beta, and the game was a mess then so I've been pretty hesitant to sub and give it a second chance, and it sounds like the lag and technical problems still exist. I'm typically a one woman man with MMOs, so I don't want to get a bunch of time invested if the game will just be disappointing.

I was in your boat dude, I played the first public beta then didn't play for over year. I'm telling you, it's worth it. Vanguard is fun as shit now. Even if your reroll alts and try on different continents, there's SO MUCH content while leveling you could roll 3-4 diffrerent toons and not see it all. I hear APW is nice, I should find out this weekend for sure if I get key mob downed.
I would give it a shot. I'm having a fricken blast.

[kollos]

sleep darts, at least when they were new, were probably the best mez ingame. no idea if that has been nerfed yet. you coulld mez half a dozen mobs as long as you didnt enter the fight. never got resisted. only downside were the costs of making them

[Jaded]

You can still mez unlimited mobs with darts it seems. The only problem is using one puts you in combat for a second or two, so you can't just spray them like a submachine gun.

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Jaded

You can still mez unlimited mobs with darts it seems. The only problem is using one puts you in combat for a second or two, so you can't just spray them like a submachine gun.

Oh I haven't played my rogue in a while, so i just heard it second hand. I guess that's fair. Rogues are still pretty good CC then.

[lost]

I have a 50 psionicist, I was in vagabonds before they broke up and we raid tested the whole shit before on test server (thanks to our nameless developer in our pocket).. once it came out all the servers were lagged, getting like 4k ping etc crashes..

I lost interest very fast, the only reason I ever played was because of how easily it was to hack that game, being a psionicist you can solo just about anything, and when you can run fast as bards WHILE casting with a pet you can solo JUST about anything.. so that game has a lot of work, the dev himself evern said they're too busy with raiding shit to watch for hackers etc..

Raiding was fun but got old very quickly, took a lot of time to get anywhere it seemed, and each shard had max of two guilds and if anyone else came in they would add about 2k ping to everyone until about 30 minutes after they left..

theres my thoughts

so screw that game.. speedhack radar bots u name it
oh yeah level 1 rangers with 44 flawless bows for the fucking win.

and if you like crafting? haha what a joke, 1-50 mineralogist in 2 weeks during christmas time bonus xp

[Tenks]

good & useful post. Thanks.

[hauwk]

yes i could see how watching someone hack a pve game would destroy the experience for you........ orrr??

huh?