AOC - General Information

[Tolanin]

Its better to delay and maybe lose a tiny bit of momentum than to release and get smeared by everyone for running a huge rip off scam with a shit game.

The vast majority of people buying games dont even know about them until release, and even if they do i cant picture someone releasing a good game on release day and people saying 'man i would buy it but they delayed 3 more months and even though they released a quality product i dont want to buy it' The very company that is the tip top of the MMO industry is living proof that people would rather you delay for a quality product than just shovel shit and fix it later maybe.

[Kemuel]

If anyone doesn't want their beta/technical spot let me know.

[Rayne]

Originally Posted by Tolanin

Its better to delay and maybe lose a tiny bit of momentum than to release and get smeared by everyone for running a huge rip off scam with a shit game.

The vast majority of people buying games dont even know about them until release, and even if they do i cant picture someone releasing a good game on release day and people saying 'man i would buy it but they delayed 3 more months and even though they released a quality product i dont want to buy it' The very company that is the tip top of the MMO industry is living proof that people would rather you delay for a quality product than just shovel shit and fix it later maybe.

Agreed. And FunCom has been pretty vocal since the beginning that they don't want to make the same mistakes they did with AO's launch. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they pushed it out to June or July.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Tolanin

Its better to delay and maybe lose a tiny bit of momentum than to release and get smeared by everyone for running a huge rip off scam with a shit game.

The vast majority of people buying games dont even know about them until release, and even if they do i cant picture someone releasing a good game on release day and people saying 'man i would buy it but they delayed 3 more months and even though they released a quality product i dont want to buy it' The very company that is the tip top of the MMO industry is living proof that people would rather you delay for a quality product than just shovel shit and fix it later maybe.

Not applicable. WoW had an outstanding beta, and the best word of mouth the industry has ever seen.

In the case of AoC, the beta testers (the few, the proud), have just about reached their boiling point. Many either got themselves banned in dramatic fashion, or haven't logged on in weeks.

Im still in disbelief occasionally that the game is going live in a month with a handful of beta testers. Who does Funcom think they are kidding? Everyone knows theres been a handful of people in general beta for the past year. This should be a warning sign to outsiders that something is being kept a secret (lack of developed mid-end game, no PvP balancing to speak of, massive bugs).

My guess is they don't care about the PC market as much as the xbox market (since Funcom is a microsoft slave company), and with the AoC xbox version coming out so much later, they have plenty of time to finish the game on the PC players dime. So if you want to give AoC a chance to turn the corner, make sure you pre-order 5 copies per person. Come May, the playerbase takes over development costs for AoC.

[ModernDayDruid]

With the 360 now past the midway point in it's lifecycle, I would honestly be surprised to see AoC see the light of day on the console.

It makes no sense for Funcom to launch AoC a year from now on the 360 (speculated launch timeframe) in the fourth year of the consoles life, when consoles have been historically on 5 year life cycles.

I bet Funcom might rethink this. From what I understand, they are not far into development, and I think they will have their hands full with the PC client for the remainder of this year.

I totally don't buy the 'sacrifice the PC gamer' for the console crowd argument. Especially when that console market might be gone with the newest console revision...

[Tolanin]

Well you cant forget that its almost guaranteed that the next gen xbox will be backwards compatible with the 360. So even if they launched in the last year of the consoles life you aren't to bad off, especially given how few mmos release on consoles, not like you have much competition for that market.

I dont think they will let the PC version crash and burn, and i dont see how the wow example is not applicable.. wow and blizz have tons of people always complaining that they wont buy the games because of how long they are delayed but they still sell extremely well, that says to me that people dont really mean it when they claim that kinda stuff.

[Believe]

Man, and I just got a beta invite today.

You guys aren't making me very motivated to download it an log on

[ModernDayDruid]

Originally Posted by Believe

Man, and I just got a beta invite today.

You guys aren't making me very motivated to download it an log on

Don't let this wretched hive of scum and villainy ruin your fun (and I say that with the utmost respect!). If you got an invite don't waste it. Still a rather select few in Beta so enjoy it. Not all is doomed in Hyboria...

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Believe

Man, and I just got a beta invite today.

You guys aren't making me very motivated to download it an log on

The people doing the bashing have seen it all--everything. Thats a long road away from where you are at right now.

There is plenty to experience in beta, so don't waste any time.

[Vatoreus]

Originally Posted by Believe

Man, and I just got a beta invite today.

You guys aren't making me very motivated to download it an log on

Game is still fun as hell, looks great, and runs pretty well. Performance has come a long way I think. There are still issues with the game, but nothing that I personally found to be ultimately game breaking. Still have my pre-order ready to go and will be playing the shit out of this when it comes out.

[Wanand]

Originally Posted by Believe

Man, and I just got a beta invite today.

You guys aren't making me very motivated to download it an log on

Don't worry you will really enjoy the 1-30 game , after that you will just see the game in all it glory and see what people are concerned about

[KianwanCT]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Not applicable. WoW had an outstanding beta, and the best word of mouth the industry has ever seen.

Since when? Where you even IN WoW beta? It was a massive pile of shit with server lag everywhere because of memory leaks ect, which is the real reason you have the server resets every week instead of only when there are patches to be deployed.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by KianwanCT

Since when? Where you even IN WoW beta? It was a massive pile of shit with server lag everywhere because of memory leaks ect, which is the real reason you have the server resets every week instead of only when there are patches to be deployed.

We sure didn't play the same beta, I don't remember ever lagging but during the stress test shit, and I never had a single memory leak in wow. Hell during the whole beta I probably crashed less than I did in a week of playing vanguard.

I'm sorry but wow's beta was definitely good. The launch however was disastrous, both in terms of server availability/stability, and the launch build was also largely unfinished; most classes didn't get their talents before the first patch, and then they still had to do a talent rework for all of them which took what, 6months? I know I had no talent on my hunter after I started on euro servers, which went up 3months after US release. But the beta was fine, it had dev feedback, it had a lot of weekly patching with visible improvements, not just fixing starting zone bugs, and it was stable as fuck.

And I don't know many mmorpgs that don't have weekly maintenance to be honest. Actually thinking about it, I don't remember a single one, but I haven't played all of them. From the moment I started playing back in UO which had DAILY maintenance(oh god do I miss you, britain graveyard server wars) to now, it seems every games has weekly maintenance.



The issue is, if wow rereleased now with another "big" mmo like current wow on the market, it would probably fail. Sure it was polished leveling and whatnot, but it severly lacked end game content(untested MC/ony...) and a lot of classes were barely functional(my lock at release was still in the barren state of post phase2 nerf, which means it fucking sucked). AoC sure doesn't look like it's gonna release in a much better state, so I have little hope for it.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by KianwanCT

Since when? Where you even IN WoW beta? It was a massive pile of shit with server lag everywhere because of memory leaks ect, which is the real reason you have the server resets every week instead of only when there are patches to be deployed.

What are you talking about?

There were people selling beta keys for hundreds of dollars. There were several EQ Guilds that were completely gutted by WoW beta since everyone in beta refused to play EQ.

[Lowk]

I was beginning to think i would never see a beta invite.

fuck the 38479874 gig download for this shit.