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[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

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Note that I was only comparing leveling, which is a rather "set value". While wow did improve leveling a bit over the numerous patches, it's still largely the same game(barring expansion level increase). I'm not comparing end game content at all, that'd be stupid. I don't think any game could beat EQ1 simply because up until not long ago, EQ1 was still releasing expansions(I think they stopped?).

However when comparing leveling, you should definitely compare AoC to how CURRENT wow's LEVELING is. I'm not talking about raid instances, class balance and so on, those come over time that's for sure, I'm the last person to expect a balanced game on release, or to have a lot to do if I powerlevel to cap in nolife 16h/day mode. And in terms of leveling, AoC is worse on pretty much every aspect. Well I mean, it is faster, but that doesn't really make it better. Around 2-3days played for cap is a good point for a pvp game though. There's more grind, less freedom, and as such leveling alts is going to be painful as hell.

That's all I was referring to, and at wow's release, leveling fucked EQ1's leveling in the poopoo. It didn't have 1/4 of the content, but it was so much more fun and polished. Then you'd hit cap, find out MC sucked and onyxia didn't work, but eh, that's not my point at all, I'm only talking of the leveling here.

Hell I have no idea about AoC endgame, if there's any at all or anything. With all their wipes and stuff, there's only a few lvl 80s, most of which are in some dev run guild that gets chars instantly to 80 to test content. You'd need to ask those guys if sieges actually exist, or if there's any kind of working raid content that'll make it for release.

But raiding will be a non issue if people quit after a few weeks because they have to grind 3levels in a row and they're casuals.

[Vatoreus]

Originally Posted by balouch

I'll load it up again and FRAPS it. FRAPS doesn't hyperbolize much.

90% of this is operator error.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Pyros

But raiding will be a non issue if people quit after a few weeks because they have to grind 3levels in a row and they're casuals.

From what I have read leveling is more like TBC-questing than original WoW-questing... Meaning there are so many quests you will constantly be doing "something" and continuously level. I've even been told in same places there are too many quests. So I dont think Joe-Casual is going to have problems finding quests to do.. Id agree that if they refuse to add additional leveling content that the replay ability of the game may suffer. But for a guild vs guild pvp game this isnt always a bad thing. Shadowbane had an excellent, "borring", system for leveling. You could get to R5 in a few days if grinding which was excellent cause it meant you had a new character to pvp with.

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by Pyros

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Fair enough I must of just misunderstood your post. I figured you ment a new MMO needed to be superior to WoW in everyway to be worth playing which is just silly thinking as a older games content will never be matched be a newer game. My bad.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

From what I have read leveling is more like TBC-questing than original WoW-questing... Meaning there are so many quests you will constantly be doing "something" and continuously level. I've even been told in same places there are too many quests. So I dont think Joe-Casual is going to have problems finding quests to do.. Id agree that if they refuse to add additional leveling content that the replay ability of the game may suffer. But for a guild vs guild pvp game this isnt always a bad thing. Shadowbane had an excellent, "borring", system for leveling. You could get to R5 in a few days if grinding which was excellent cause it meant you had a new character to pvp with.

There's not enough quests to hit 80 solely on questing. Even going back and doing grey stuff you missed in other zones, or travelling around quite a lot. Well maybe if you know beforehand all quest levels you might design a perfect leveling path to maximize xp and not have to grind. If you just play normally, or even try a bit, you'll still have to grind. There were barely enough quests to 80, then they increased xp needed per level, without adding any new content/quests or increasing quest xp/monster xp.

[balouch]

Didn't even make it into the game this time, crashed at shipwreck loading screen.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Pyros

There's not enough quests to hit 80 solely on questing. Even going back and doing grey stuff you missed in other zones, or travelling around quite a lot. Well maybe if you know beforehand all quest levels you might design a perfect leveling path to maximize xp and not have to grind. If you just play normally, or even try a bit, you'll still have to grind. There were barely enough quests to 80, then they increased xp needed per level, without adding any new content/quests or increasing quest xp/monster xp.

Which is exactly how I leveled in TBC... Meaning I did a bunch of quests and then ran some instances a few times... and then moved on.... I suppose its probably possible to only quest your way to 70 in wow, but id imagine its pretty slow when a lot of the better quests run out.


balouch may i recommend Introduction to Computers and the Internet | Tech Tutor Video it sounds like you have some pretty interesting problems with your computer. If you had it built somewhere i'd be a bit upset with whomever installed the OS and put the parts together. My friends computer that barely meet the minimum requirements will still run open beta on low settings with "okay" performance. However, this does show another aspect of WoW's success..... make a game that can run on anyone's shit box and you can get the "i-upgrade-my-gaming-pc-every-7-years" crowd hooked.

[balouch]

Oh that's interesting. Let's see...

My computer runs everything else... but AOC runs like shit.

Yeah, it must be my computer, not AOC.

[balouch]

That's Vanguard fanboi logic if I ever heard it.

You should also tell me to go defrag my HD after every patch and to make a ram drive to run game files off of.

[Vehn]

all this naysaying is causing me to steer towards not buying it :/ than and the constant lag / shitty performance i get in both open / closed beta

[balouch]

Originally Posted by Vehn

all this naysaying is causing me to steer towards not buying it :/ than and the constant lag / shitty performance i get in both open / closed beta

If it actually runs for you, decide for yourself, but telling people "stfu noob learn about computerz lol" when the game runs like ass for them is just fanboi'ish, and doesn't help the game in any way.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by balouch

If it actually runs for you, decide for yourself, but telling people "stfu noob learn about computerz lol" when the game runs like ass for them is just fanboi'ish, and doesn't help the game in any way.

Well there's issues with your particular system, and many others from what I read, but on mine the game runs fine on High settings, and I don't crash. If you don't want to check tech boards to find out how to fix it, that's entirely your problem though, but when you play on computers you should expect to have to tweak shit to get it to work. In a way I miss the old edit config.sys though, at least you knew exactly what you needed(520k of free memory), in current tweaking there's so many random stuff and fixes are sometimes unrelated to the problem.

But yeah, they're having a lot of tech issues it seems, and every patch seems to fix some and add new ones. Some people haven't been able to test for months, while others never had any problem.

[Bixxby]

Did these people not realize WoW had such a huge success in part to its open beta that was actually playable and smooth and uh..fun? This game reminds me of guild wars in a bad way. It's linear paths a plenty and you can't jump over or explore or any of that shit. The combat is ok but it's pretty obviously going to be a pain in the ass in short order. Flop of the year, assuming Warhammer pulls out the good stuff with its infinite delays and doesn't suck shit.

[balouch]

FRAPS of how crappy AOC runs for me

It actually takes another 5 minutes for that shipwreck screen to load and let me into the crappy graphics that await me.

Seems like a driver / hardware / config issue... but definitely something they should fix asap.

Maybe before I go to bed tonight I'll let it sit at the shipwreck load screen and FRAPS the game in the morning.

[balouch]

Originally Posted by Pyros

Well there's issues with your particular system, and many others from what I read, but on mine the game runs fine on High settings, and I don't crash. If you don't want to check tech boards to find out how to fix it, that's entirely your problem though, but when you play on computers you should expect to have to tweak shit to get it to work. In a way I miss the old edit config.sys though, at least you knew exactly what you needed(520k of free memory), in current tweaking there's so many random stuff and fixes are sometimes unrelated to the problem.

But yeah, they're having a lot of tech issues it seems, and every patch seems to fix some and add new ones. Some people haven't been able to test for months, while others never had any problem.

I don't mind having to tweak to get optimal performance, however, when I have to tweak to get even subpar performance is when the red flags start going off.

Maybe I'll post that FRAPS on the AOC tech board and see what they suggest.