[WoW] 2.4 Full patch notes - Page 164

Deathwing · 04-25-2008, 02:07 PM

You say tomato I say tomoto. At this point, we're basically saying the same thing. Sorry I missed that part you quoted yourself there. Damage with "neglecting tasks" is pretty much dps. I still prefer dps because it can wrap it up in a nice package instead of having to sort through slow-ass WWS to find out if the warlock was casting banish a lot during that fight.

Clug · 04-25-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wodin

Hunters are fucking amazing damage when specced correctly

Some of us say they are even TOO fucking amazing in the damage department.

Oh yes, I went there.

Cybsled · 04-25-2008, 04:07 PM

My least favorite sight in arena is a giant red hunter + his pet heading towards my warlock ;(

gg hunter i-win button vs locks! My only hope is that backlash procs enough and he has low enough hp to burn down before I die.

TheCutlery · 04-25-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybsled

My only hope is that backlash procs enough

I think I found your problem sir.

The Ancient · 04-25-2008, 06:36 PM

No, no, no. He's Shadowfury specced. It's ok.

dak · 04-25-2008, 06:49 PM

Of course destro vs hunter is terrible. It's two easy to LoS classes except one has instants and a pet and the other doesn't.

BM hunters in arena are a joke, they don't get any more difficult to LoS.

BTW what is this no warlocks on single target burn fights nonsense? Our locks top the meters reliably on Brut even if all we get is a shaman who gives hero to melee. As for hunters usually they are behind our token ret pally. No, our hunters are not terrible either it's just we don't stack the groups in their favor. If you stack their groups though they do alright. They scale immensely depending on their group, probably more so than any other class in the game.

Cybsled · 04-25-2008, 08:18 PM

Ya, ya, destruction isnt as WTFoverpowered as some soul link/affliction lock. But it has it's uses, as it is excellent burst damage. No other lock build can take off as many HP as fast in a small burst. Just can't have a melee on me or pillar dancers, though X_X

Plus shadowfury is fun ^_^ Works especially well on the blade's edge one if they are all on the bridge.

dak · 04-25-2008, 08:23 PM

Yeah, don't get me wrong destro can be amazing in 5v5 but it takes a very specific team make up putting extra effort in supporting you to do well.

TheCutlery · 04-25-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybsled

Ya, ya, destruction isnt as WTFoverpowered as some soul link/affliction lock. But it has it's uses, as it is excellent burst damage. No other lock build can take off as many HP as fast in a small burst. Just can't have a melee on me or pillar dancers, though X_X

Plus shadowfury is fun ^_^ Works especially well on the blade's edge one if they are all on the bridge.

Well all I'm saying is that if your build requires the qualification that no melee be on you, well, it's probably not gonna be all that effective.

Grizzlebeard · 04-25-2008, 10:49 PM

The one thing WWS confirms for me is the amount of damage locks loose by casting zero damage curses. Sure, we may have the highest DPS in the raid but compare our DPS time to that of a mage or rogue and we loose on average 10-20%. Now, if there was a way for a damage meter to return the extra damage the raid gains from CoE, CoS, and CoR I'd be a happy lock. After all, that is our true damage contribution.

l0z · 04-25-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

The one thing WWS confirms for me is the amount of damage locks loose by casting zero damage curses. Sure, we may have the highest DPS in the raid but compare our DPS time to that of a mage or rogue and we loose on average 10-20%. Now, if there was a way for a damage meter to return the extra damage the raid gains from CoE, CoS, and CoR I'd be a happy lock. After all, that is our true damage contribution.

Yeah, and I'm sure BE hunters would love seeing FI's 3% extra dps from grouped players added to theirs too! =P

taebin · 04-26-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by l0z

Yeah, and I'm sure BE hunters would love seeing FI's 3% extra dps from grouped players added to theirs too! =P

And shaman's windfury, and paladin's blessing of might, and even warrior's blood frenzy.

Drtyrm · 04-26-2008, 07:23 AM

Please include added damage from extra spells cast via Blessing of Wisdom mana gains...

Where will it end?

Zehn - Vhex · 04-26-2008, 09:30 AM

The raid leaves and breathes based on me keeping the tank alive, so all your dps are belong to me.

Deathwing · 04-26-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

The one thing WWS confirms for me is the amount of damage locks loose by casting zero damage curses. Sure, we may have the highest DPS in the raid but compare our DPS time to that of a mage or rogue and we loose on average 10-20%. Now, if there was a way for a damage meter to return the extra damage the raid gains from CoE, CoS, and CoR I'd be a happy lock. After all, that is our true damage contribution.

CoD is about 10% tops, and you should still be competitive with non-glaive dps classes without it.

04-25-2008, 02:07 PM	#2446 (permalink)
Deathwing Sisko is the new Picard Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,605 +0 Internets	You say tomato I say tomoto. At this point, we're basically saying the same thing. Sorry I missed that part you quoted yourself there. Damage with "neglecting tasks" is pretty much dps. I still prefer dps because it can wrap it up in a nice package instead of having to sort through slow-ass WWS to find out if the warlock was casting banish a lot during that fight. __________________ Baalzamon, For The Lose, Llane Balthemal, For The Lose, Llane Trolloc, Just The Tip, BDF(retired)

04-25-2008, 04:07 PM	#2448 (permalink)
Cybsled Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,266 +14 Internets	My least favorite sight in arena is a giant red hunter + his pet heading towards my warlock ;( gg hunter i-win button vs locks! My only hope is that backlash procs enough and he has low enough hp to burn down before I die. __________________ Training the citizens of Norrath from 1999-2003!

04-25-2008, 06:49 PM	#2451 (permalink)
dak Enough wicked gay on this board as it is. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: France Posts: 4,150	Of course destro vs hunter is terrible. It's two easy to LoS classes except one has instants and a pet and the other doesn't. BM hunters in arena are a joke, they don't get any more difficult to LoS. BTW what is this no warlocks on single target burn fights nonsense? Our locks top the meters reliably on Brut even if all we get is a shaman who gives hero to melee. As for hunters usually they are behind our token ret pally. No, our hunters are not terrible either it's just we don't stack the groups in their favor. If you stack their groups though they do alright. They scale immensely depending on their group, probably more so than any other class in the game. __________________ Give me negative internets you cock sucking nobodies. RIP Spiderman-Troupe 2002-2008 Last edited by dak : 04-25-2008 at 06:52 PM.

04-25-2008, 08:18 PM	#2452 (permalink)
Cybsled Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,266 +14 Internets	Ya, ya, destruction isnt as WTFoverpowered as some soul link/affliction lock. But it has it's uses, as it is excellent burst damage. No other lock build can take off as many HP as fast in a small burst. Just can't have a melee on me or pillar dancers, though X_X Plus shadowfury is fun ^_^ Works especially well on the blade's edge one if they are all on the bridge. __________________ Training the citizens of Norrath from 1999-2003!

04-25-2008, 08:23 PM	#2453 (permalink)
dak Enough wicked gay on this board as it is. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: France Posts: 4,150	Yeah, don't get me wrong destro can be amazing in 5v5 but it takes a very specific team make up putting extra effort in supporting you to do well. __________________ Give me negative internets you cock sucking nobodies. RIP Spiderman-Troupe 2002-2008

04-25-2008, 10:49 PM	#2455 (permalink)
Grizzlebeard The Littlest Hobo of MMOs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Blighty! Posts: 507	The one thing WWS confirms for me is the amount of damage locks loose by casting zero damage curses. Sure, we may have the highest DPS in the raid but compare our DPS time to that of a mage or rogue and we loose on average 10-20%. Now, if there was a way for a damage meter to return the extra damage the raid gains from CoE, CoS, and CoR I'd be a happy lock. After all, that is our true damage contribution.

04-26-2008, 09:30 AM	#2459 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,452 +61 Internets	The raid leaves and breathes based on me keeping the tank alive, so all your dps are belong to me.

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