[SOE] Sold to Company in India

[Foradream]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

Bullshit. They are more dedicated, better educated, and actually give a shit about what they are doing.

The only people I've ever met who claim Indian education is better than western education are either people from India or people who have an axe to grind against the West.

If you look at any reputable rankings of Universities and Colleges, India doesn't break the top ten.

EDIT: Heck, I can't even find one in the top 100 lists.

[Wilf McQuade]

Originally Posted by Cad

And you also clearly don't work in the industry. I've worked on 3 major projects with overseas developers. In each case we've ended up completely throwing away what they've given us and redoing it from scratch, in 1/3rd the time with 1/20th the manpower and it comes out clean, maintainable, and consistent. In each case the decision to outsource was made by incompetent MBA jerkoffs who don't understand why coder != coder.

Indians are dedicated, they are educated, and they are hard working. What they are not is creative, intelligent, and able to think outside the box. Their solutions are always right out of a book regardless of whether applying that book method makes sense. They don't correctly apply programming methodologies or organizational frameworks because they don't think big enough to get the whole project at once. In short, they are fucking retarded as software developers. There might be something else they are really good at, but I'd rather work alone than have 100 indians helping me.

3 X and you keep going back? I find that hard to believe that any for profit company would return to India a second time for work on a similar project that 100% failed the first time, let alone a third time.

What company is this and who the hell runs it? Are they accepting applications for a new CEO/CFO as I am fairly confident I could save them some coin.

Not disagreeding with other comments you have made but the 'we have completely had to rebuild everything from scratch everytime we have worked with them' is difficult to accept.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Anyone who isn't skeptical about Smed's denail is even more retarded. See how easy that is? Gonna have to keep our eyes (those of us who don't see shades of pink that is) on this one.

Listen up you dipshit there is a world of difference between lying to the market about an ongoing transaction and (for example) telling your customer base that alchemy is working as intended. One can trigger a class action lawsuit by trigger happy plaintiff's lawyers, the other can't.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Cad

And you also clearly don't work in the industry. I've worked on 3 major projects with overseas developers. In each case we've ended up completely throwing away what they've given us and redoing it from scratch, in 1/3rd the time with 1/20th the manpower and it comes out clean, maintainable, and consistent. In each case the decision to outsource was made by incompetent MBA jerkoffs who don't understand why coder != coder.

Indians are dedicated, they are educated, and they are hard working. What they are not is creative, intelligent, and able to think outside the box. Their solutions are always right out of a book regardless of whether applying that book method makes sense. They don't correctly apply programming methodologies or organizational frameworks because they don't think big enough to get the whole project at once. In short, they are fucking retarded as software developers. There might be something else they are really good at, but I'd rather work alone than have 100 indians helping me.

I have found this to be true also. I think it is due to them not having a well rounded education. They only focus on technology versus our full university education system. Here, Engineers learn English Literature, Philosophy, etc not just how to program a computer.

India is turning out technical Developers only, not thinkers. they know what buttons to press on a computer but not the big picture and are not very creative. Of course this is a generalization and does not apply to everyone but as someone who works with them on a daily basis this is my observation.

[chu]

Originally Posted by Cad

And you also clearly don't work in the industry. I've worked on 3 major projects with overseas developers. In each case we've ended up completely throwing away what they've given us and redoing it from scratch, in 1/3rd the time with 1/20th the manpower and it comes out clean, maintainable, and consistent. In each case the decision to outsource was made by incompetent MBA jerkoffs who don't understand why coder != coder.

Indians are dedicated, they are educated, and they are hard working. What they are not is creative, intelligent, and able to think outside the box. Their solutions are always right out of a book regardless of whether applying that book method makes sense. They don't correctly apply programming methodologies or organizational frameworks because they don't think big enough to get the whole project at once. In short, they are fucking retarded as software developers. There might be something else they are really good at, but I'd rather work alone than have 100 indians helping me.

So what you are CLEARLY saying is that you work for a shitty company that can only afford to work with other BOTTOM OF THE BARREL shitty companies overseas.

yeah 3 anectodal person examples are the way things are generally, when there are likely hundereds of thousands of other software companies around the world.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Wilf McQuade

Smed took steroids to get where he is and in time it will be proven.

Hahaha You made my day with this one

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by tad10

Listen up you dipshit there is a world of difference between lying to the market about an ongoing transaction and (for example) telling your customer base that alchemy is working as intended. One can trigger a class action lawsuit by trigger happy plaintiff's lawyers, the other can't.

Tad never does dissapoint does he.


Edit: Ohh and word is that EQ2Flames log in was created by an admin, and that post was made by an admin not by Smed. Why ? Who knows. That's what I am hearing now.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Wilf McQuade

3 X and you keep going back? I find that hard to believe that any for profit company would return to India a second time for work on a similar project that 100% failed the first time, let alone a third time.

What company is this and who the hell runs it? Are they accepting applications for a new CEO/CFO as I am fairly confident I could save them some coin.

Not disagreeding with other comments you have made but the 'we have completely had to rebuild everything from scratch everytime we have worked with them' is difficult to accept.

This just in, VP's and C-titles at most companies have no idea how their products work or how the business works, they're friends with the board or went to school with them so they got the job. In 2 of the 3 cases the reason we used the overseas company is because the VC firm that owned a large stake in our company also owned a large stake in the outsourcing firm and "recommended" to the board that they use them. Then we're stuck with them. What makes sense and what is done are highly disconnected.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Tad never does dissapoint does he.

He takes e-lawyering to a whole new level.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by chu

So what you are CLEARLY saying is that you work for a shitty company that can only afford to work with other BOTTOM OF THE BARREL shitty companies overseas.

yeah 3 anectodal person examples are the way things are generally, when there are likely hundereds of thousands of other software companies around the world.

Symphony and Infosys are not bottom of the barrel indian IT companies. They're pretty average. Thats not to say they aren't shitty.

[Zarcath]

Originally Posted by Tarrant220

You're right, countless GM's, sony reps talking to various news outlets and the CEO are lying about selling their company.

SOE REP's: "Um, we said so, our GM's said so....our CEO said so"

Tarrant you're an idiot. You act like they tell GM's anything? and you believe someone who just puts Smed in their post? What do they teach kids these days?

-Smed

[Hachima]

I would just have to add that outsourced projects I am familiar with have resulted in pretty crappy unmaintainable code that in some cases had to be completely scrapped.

Part of it may be that your often hear more about the negative, but I've yet to hear about someones good experience with outsourcing a project.