[WoW] 2.4/Sunwell Info - Page 10

FoghornDeadhorn · 12-25-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by darksensei

Za was a success except for two encounters, which include the tornado phase of ZJ. I've run with some top notch people and still struggled with it. The other encounter is the Eagle boss which imo is a pug killer. When I pug it I do Bear, Lynx, then ask what ppl want to do. You need some beefy healers for that fight.

If Eagle is hard for you then you're doing it wrong. Dragonhawk boss can fucking suck a dick though. Hrm, am I trivial or am I a giant pita? What's your raid composition again?

Roa · 12-25-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Dragonhawk boss can fucking suck a dick though.

Fuck that fight.

darksensei · 12-25-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

If Eagle is hard for you then you're doing it wrong. Dragonhawk boss can fucking suck a dick though. Hrm, am I trivial or am I a giant pita? What's your raid composition again?

It depends on your raid composition, I don't do 25 man raids so I'm running a group of s3/s2 pvp gear and karazhan gear. I can't tell you the amount of times a run on the eagle boss is going great until healers go OOM. It's not that's difficult, just a gear check that seems a bit higher then it should be for healers on that fight.

The dragonhawk boss isn't too bad, the enrage is weak and with just 2 ae the adds become pretty weak. Or you just need 1 ae, and a prot pally to tank em.

But I guess it just goes to show people have difficulty on different bosses for whatever reason. My guild struggles because we don't have PVE'd geared healers past Karazhan. I've cleared before with a couple of the better PVE guilds on the server so I'm fairly confident in the strategies I'm using.

Deris · 12-25-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

So I will play Wow, solo quest, 5 and 10 man instance, and PVP at my leisure. I would rather play EQ2 for community reasons, but theres shit-all for EST guilds (real EST guilds) so whats a guy to do.

We begin raids at 8pm EST sharp (lol sharp.) and are pulling/killing by 8:20 at the absolute latest.

Pyros · 12-25-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darksensei

It depends on your raid composition, I don't do 25 man raids so I'm running a group of s3/s2 pvp gear and karazhan gear. I can't tell you the amount of times a run on the eagle boss is going great until healers go OOM. It's not that's difficult, just a gear check that seems a bit higher then it should be for healers on that fight.

The dragonhawk boss isn't too bad, the enrage is weak and with just 2 ae the adds become pretty weak. Or you just need 1 ae, and a prot pally to tank em.

But I guess it just goes to show people have difficulty on different bosses for whatever reason. My guild struggles because we don't have PVE'd geared healers past Karazhan. I've cleared before with a couple of the better PVE guilds on the server so I'm fairly confident in the strategies I'm using.

There's very good and easily accessible healing gear in form of cloth mainly. Whitemend set, primal mooncloth if you can afford leveling tailoring, and the badge stuff. You get the same healing levels as end of T5 with those, which is enough for all ZA. Unless you're a holy paladin who tanks stuff from time to time, armor levels make no difference. My cloth druid does look pretty ugly tho ^^

Fammaden · 12-25-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fadaar

It's a bit difficult for guilds just coming out of Kara in my opinion. Maybe after everyone gears up from the new badge stuff, but christ I would not want to try that place with only Kara geared dps/tanks.

Edit: This is coming from a guy with Illidan on farm. I fucking hate ZA because I use more mana potions in there than I do in all of BT/Hyjal combined (as a Paladin). Zul'jin phase 3/4 can eat a fat fucking dick.

Yeah, the place seems like a mana sink for me healing on pally too. Guild is pretty much just T5, so I can't imagine how hard it must be for that whole Kara/T4 level of gear. The gear of the tanks and DPS certainly plays a part, and execution can ease lots of the pain for us, at least on everything up to Hex Lord.

Derketo · 12-25-2007, 11:22 PM

I dont even bother making an alt run unless we have a shadow priest. It's pointless at that level of gear.

FoghornDeadhorn · 12-25-2007, 11:34 PM

Are people clustering before lightning storm on eagle? Maybe I'm just not noticing it because our healers are T5-ed out but I've never heard them complain and I don't think anyone even dies unless we're too busy talking about stupid shit or how cool the lightning effect is (reminds me of Return of the Jedi) to remember to cluster.

Kreugen · 12-26-2007, 07:59 AM

Unless FoH has been doing ninja runs at 4am I haven't seen them do ZA since the week it opened.

Elidrin · 12-26-2007, 08:09 AM

We do ZA, but it's mostly alts now. It was fun the first few times, but everytime I went shit got constantly DE'd or went to alts, which is a complete waste of my time.

Jubee · 12-26-2007, 08:22 AM

I've tagged along on a couple EJ runs to ZA. The consumable usage didn't really seem out of whack and I'm in S2/3 Gladiator shit and have garbage regen. Both times we ran a 2.5 healer (our shammy DPSed on trash and healed on bosses.)

The last full clear had me use 6 mana pots from start to finish. That seems ok to me but I haven't raided since Patchwerk so I'm unfamiliar with how much raiders use these days.

The Ancient · 12-26-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by darksensei

I can't tell you the amount of times a run on the eagle boss is going great until healers go OOM. It's not that's difficult, just a gear check that seems a bit higher then it should be for healers on that fight.

I'm gonna agree with the "you're doing it wrong" statement. Unless you are bringing like no ranged dps it shouldn't be that hard on healers.

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It was fun the first few times, but everytime I went shit got constantly DE'd or went to alts, which is a complete waste of my time.

Why are so many lacking the lure of the bear mount?

Horse · 12-26-2007, 09:32 AM

Dragonhawk is all about letting 2 rounds free on one side, 3 rounds free on the other, and alternate. You're doing it wrong if there are so few eggs on one side and so many on the other that they both run to the same side.

Eagle is cake as well. If you're melee heavy just don't cluster so the crap is nailing half+ the raid at a time. Wait till the storm part and unleash melee dps at that point. Get a shadow or lock or hunter on the add birds.

I pulled two all nighters in a row getting the strats down and learning what class builds gimp it / don't. In that time we found a way through lynx trash to avoid a huge part of it that turned it from "we'll never get the 4th down" to "it seems doable now." Big repair bills then. But with all t5 gear from SSC/TK you can run it with zero repair bills and little to no consumables.

If you're using ZA as your T5, get ready for some pain. There aren't any ez epix here: you put in as much if not more expense and time to get the loot that a raid guild would, except it's with 10 and you can do it a few times a week.

For all the people complaining about it being pug killer, I've got no problem with it being anti-tard. Pug? Nah, if you get the right pugs, even in their kara gear, and they're smart enough to know that 50g of consumables is better than 75g of repairs, it is completely doable.

All of the encounters that people are claiming ruin the zone really just require good coordination and people understanding their role. ZJ's eagle and lynx phases are a good example of this.

ZA is perfect for its place in the expansion, for now. I'm sure it will be softballed just as ZG was, but for folks who are tired of the 25 mans and look at the non-attunement-needing Sunwell as their reentry into "people with lives" raiding, the challenge of ZA is fine because once you know how its done and do it right, there is nearly zero challenge. Doing these fights incorrectly add most all of the gear stress.

That said, there really isn't much in there if you already have T5: karazhan is more efficient for badges, and the few items that are sizable upgrades for people are really just random because you have to pass the gear check in the first place to loot the items. So odds in our raid are "lots of shards," the fights are just too stressful for alts.

The Ancient · 12-26-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Horse

That said, there really isn't much in there if you already have T5: karazhan is more efficient for badges, and the few items that are sizable upgrades for people...

Bear mounts are sizable upgrades for everyone.

Brikker · 12-26-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ancient

Bear mounts are sizable upgrades for everyone.

They're also around a 0.2% drop rate, no?

My guild runs ZA for the Hex Lord trinkets, mostly. Best trinket in the game for a Shadow priest, 3rd? or so best for any other dps caster.

12-25-2007, 11:22 PM	#142 (permalink)
Derketo Salty Lumberjack Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 181 +0 Internets	I dont even bother making an alt run unless we have a shadow priest. It's pointless at that level of gear. __________________ I'll be alright when we get to pass out time.

12-26-2007, 08:09 AM	#145 (permalink)
Elidrin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 556	We do ZA, but it's mostly alts now. It was fun the first few times, but everytime I went shit got constantly DE'd or went to alts, which is a complete waste of my time. __________________ Avelle Midgardsormr Avelle < Risen > Ner'Zhul - Retired Elidrin 65 Ranger Lanys T'Vyl - Retired

12-26-2007, 08:22 AM	#146 (permalink)
Jubee This is how I look when I post. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,777 +5 Internets	I've tagged along on a couple EJ runs to ZA. The consumable usage didn't really seem out of whack and I'm in S2/3 Gladiator shit and have garbage regen. Both times we ran a 2.5 healer (our shammy DPSed on trash and healed on bosses.) The last full clear had me use 6 mana pots from start to finish. That seems ok to me but I haven't raided since Patchwerk so I'm unfamiliar with how much raiders use these days. __________________ Rekt, 80 Paladin

12-26-2007, 09:32 AM	#148 (permalink)
Horse Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,970 -51 Internets	Dragonhawk is all about letting 2 rounds free on one side, 3 rounds free on the other, and alternate. You're doing it wrong if there are so few eggs on one side and so many on the other that they both run to the same side. Eagle is cake as well. If you're melee heavy just don't cluster so the crap is nailing half+ the raid at a time. Wait till the storm part and unleash melee dps at that point. Get a shadow or lock or hunter on the add birds. I pulled two all nighters in a row getting the strats down and learning what class builds gimp it / don't. In that time we found a way through lynx trash to avoid a huge part of it that turned it from "we'll never get the 4th down" to "it seems doable now." Big repair bills then. But with all t5 gear from SSC/TK you can run it with zero repair bills and little to no consumables. If you're using ZA as your T5, get ready for some pain. There aren't any ez epix here: you put in as much if not more expense and time to get the loot that a raid guild would, except it's with 10 and you can do it a few times a week. For all the people complaining about it being pug killer, I've got no problem with it being anti-tard. Pug? Nah, if you get the right pugs, even in their kara gear, and they're smart enough to know that 50g of consumables is better than 75g of repairs, it is completely doable. All of the encounters that people are claiming ruin the zone really just require good coordination and people understanding their role. ZJ's eagle and lynx phases are a good example of this. ZA is perfect for its place in the expansion, for now. I'm sure it will be softballed just as ZG was, but for folks who are tired of the 25 mans and look at the non-attunement-needing Sunwell as their reentry into "people with lives" raiding, the challenge of ZA is fine because once you know how its done and do it right, there is nearly zero challenge. Doing these fights incorrectly add most all of the gear stress. That said, there really isn't much in there if you already have T5: karazhan is more efficient for badges, and the few items that are sizable upgrades for people are really just random because you have to pass the gear check in the first place to loot the items. So odds in our raid are "lots of shards," the fights are just too stressful for alts. Last edited by Horse; 12-26-2007 at 09:34 AM..

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12-25-2007, 11:34 PM	#143 (permalink)
FoghornDeadhorn Waiting for Diablo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun Posts: 4,234	Are people clustering before lightning storm on eagle? Maybe I'm just not noticing it because our healers are T5-ed out but I've never heard them complain and I don't think anyone even dies unless we're too busy talking about stupid shit or how cool the lightning effect is (reminds me of Return of the Jedi) to remember to cluster.

12-26-2007, 07:59 AM	#144 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,137 +71 Internets	Unless FoH has been doing ninja runs at 4am I haven't seen them do ZA since the week it opened.