SoE - Robbing Bastards (LoN)

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Smed did 9/11

[Hachima]

Originally Posted by Luthair

Only if you don't have a credit card to go along with it.

I've seen 0 drops in EQ1 outside of promo weekends, and thats a shit ton of mobs over 4 months. EQ1 prices have been 100kish for boosters

Are people really this bad at getting around systems? You can transfer packs/cards from another account to your "USA" account for free.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Flight

There you go.

Lots of folks are saying that, but Sony never have. Various players have put this theory forward and its now propagated as fact. You won't even find Sony discussing the issue, nevermind making it clear to people buying the game and the cards.

What?

EULA: Knowledge Base

2.1(a) Eligibility (United States). In addition to the above requirements, to participate in a tournament offered through the Game Service, you must be physically located in a U.S. state in which participation in such tournaments is unrestricted by law. Rules governing sweepstakes, contests, and tournaments with entry fees and/or prizes are established by individual states. Based on these fifty (50) sets of laws, we cannot offer fee-based tournaments with prizes to residents of the States of Arizona, Connecticut, Iowa, Maryland, Nevada, Tennessee and Vermont. 2.1(b) Eligibility (Non-U.S.). Non-U.S. citizens are not eligible to participate in any tournament offered through the Game Service. We may require any tournament participant to provide proof that he or she is eligible to participate according to Sections 2.1(a) and 2.1(b). 2.1(c) In compliance with the United States Internal Revenue Service regulations, we send a Form 1099 to any person who wins in excess of Six Hundred Dollars (US$600.00) in any given calendar year. You remain solely responsible for paying all federal and other taxes in accordance with the laws that apply in your state, province, and/or country of residence. 2.1(d) A new law went into effect April 21, 2000 (The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) which imposed new rules regarding the collection of personal information from children under the age of thirteen (13). Because the Game Service is not directed to children under the age of thirteen (13), we cannot provide or extend the memberships of individuals under the age of thirteen (13). If you are under the age of thirteen (13), you may not create an account on the Game Service, shall not be eligible to enter any sweepstakes and/or promotions, and are asked not to provide any personal information to SOE.

[Braen]

I think what he is getting at, is that if you play EQ2, are in the EU and play/buy/trade cards within EQ2 and don't use the LoN client, you won't see that particular EULA.

Therefore, would be buying cards thinking you could use them in US tourneys.

[Flight]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

What?

EULA stuff

The real point here is restrictions on the game shouldn't just be hidden in small print in an EULA. It should be plain and clear to everyone who is looking at playing the game and buying the cards.



But, many people don't see an EULA. You will see it when you launch the stand alone client, which was released fairly recently. I don't with the in game client ( you can run the card game from within EQ2, you don't need the stand alone client, which was introduced more recently). The EULA (the updated one with the legal stuff) with the in game client launched from within EQ2 is different. Its in there, hidden away. You can find the file it is in, if you look hard. It even has the click to accept these terms button - but there is no button as its just a text file.

You log into the game without seeing an EULA. You are spammed with tournie adverts, without an EULA, when you enter the game client. You click on buy cards withion the game and go spend a few hundred bucks - you don't see any kind of EULA.


This all kicked off about a month ago. Up until then anyone, anywhere in the world, could enter any of their CCG tournaments. Then a month ago (end of October) they enforced this bullshit about only people in 40 States with no laws could play the LoN tournies. Fuck, before that they even did extensive test tournaments on European times, aimed at European players.




The real kicker is the vast majority of us have no legal restrictions on this stuff. Its the 7 US States that do. SoE just can't be arsed to spend the time and money looking into it, so they blanket ban the rest of the world along with those States. Seems to me it occurred to them when they decided on a big cash prize to promote the World Championship, they would have problems if one of the winners came from one of the restrictive 7 US States. So now they will run their long promoted 'World Championship' which should really be a 43 State Championship.

They have constantly refused to acknowledge or discuss this on the official forums.



Whatever they have in their mysterious EULA (and give us all a laugh and anyone tell us you read through the small print of EULA's when you load a game up) they have a morale responsibility to make sure people know the score before they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on binary fucking cards.

[Luthair]

Originally Posted by Hachima

Are people really this bad at getting around systems? You can transfer packs/cards from another account to your "USA" account for free.

I don't know if its still true but in order to trade you need be 'registered' i.e., buy something.

[BobDole901]

Certainly the only place you can find that kind of information is in the EULA.

Or on the website.... Be sure to read at the bottom where it specifically states residents of certain areas are not eligible to participate in LON tournaments.

This has been the same rule for years on other online CCGs (namely MTGO since it was released in 2002). The official reasoning given out is:

Originally Posted by MTGO FAQ 7.4 Why can't we play with ante?

In many states in the US and in most countries around the world, gambling is legally prohibited or heavily regulated. Ante is a kind of bet. Each person offers an object of value (a card) in exchange for the chance to win another such object. The chance is not certain and depends significantly upon luck. This is the very definition of betting, and betting is the fundamental element of gambling. Therefore, to avoid any legal complications, ante games are prohibited from being advertised on Magic Online.

So because there is a factor of luck involved in winning a tournament, it is gambling and therefore....prohibited. Don't blame SOE, blame the law.

[Thorbadin]

I recommend WoW CCG. It's the best card game out there atm with decent support and the best player base beside MtG.

World of Warcraft TCG

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by BobDole901

So because there is a factor of luck involved in winning a tournament, it is gambling and therefore....prohibited. Don't blame SOE, blame the law.

I only agree in part. In those countries, where gambling is prohibitied - blame the law. In those countries where playing card games online is permited - blame SOE.

I blame SOE.

[Flight]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

I only agree in part. In those countries, where gambling is prohibitied - blame the law. In those countries where playing card games online is permited - blame SOE.

I blame SOE.

And lets be clear the vast majority of countries, certainly in Europe, have no such restrictions - certainly when the majority of tournies only have a few digital cards as prizes. With typical SoE incompetence, they choose to blanket ban the rest of the World along with the 7 restricted States.

[Flight]

And please, lets triple underline that THE EULA DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T PLAY FOR LEGAL REASONS.


It says the 7 restricted States can't play for legal reasons.


To Europe it just says FUCK OFF, WE GOT YOU'RE MONEY NOW WE AREN'T LETTING YOU PLAY, right there in black and white.





This specifically is what SoE have consistently refused to discuss, acknowledge or comment on.

[Camerous]

Originally Posted by Flight

And please, lets triple underline that THE EULA DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T PLAY FOR LEGAL REASONS.


It says the 7 restricted States can't play for legal reasons.


To Europe it just says FUCK OFF, WE GOT YOU'RE MONEY NOW WE AREN'T LETTING YOU PLAY, right there in black and white.





This specifically is what SoE have consistently refused to discuss, acknowledge or comment on.

I bet they think if you are too stupid to read all the rules on something you are playing then you get what's coming to you. Further more they don't need to comment or discuss anything.. it says EVERYTHING that needs to be said right there in that EULA. Don't like it? Get over it or don't play. Pretty simple.

[Froofy-D]

All CCG are a scam imho. If the game was good enough they would just give you all the cards in one pack.

The concept of an online CCG is even more ridiculous. It is tantamount to shipping an MMOG where there are 50 classes, but each CD key only unlocks 8 random classes. Have fun buying boxes until you get the class you like.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by Froofy-D

All CCG are a scam imho. If the game was good enough they would just give you all the cards in one pack.

The concept of an online CCG is even more ridiculous. It is tantamount to shipping an MMOG where there are 50 classes, but each CD key only unlocks 8 random classes. Have fun buying boxes until you get the class you like.

Magic was pretty good and you buy packs/boxes to draft, not to find cards and draft is the most fun in MtG. Online it's the same, hell they even send you a full set of real cards if you compete a collection.
For LoN... meh, it sucks.

[Flight]

Originally Posted by Miele

Magic was pretty good and you buy packs/boxes to draft, not to find cards and draft is the most fun in MtG. Online it's the same, hell they even send you a full set of real cards if you compete a collection.
For LoN... meh, it sucks.

What are the online trading options like for Magic ? Do they have the facility to post a trade you want to make and what you are offering for them then other folk can trade with you while you are offline ?