[WoW] PvP AFK measures are not enough.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by FuckYou

the first problem is that not enough people are using the mods or manually reporting.

the second problem is that the real AFKers will run out of the cave and suicide to clear the debuff when (if) they get it.

That's just it. Reporting them is fucking useless. Yeah, they lose some honor..guess what..they keep doing it. There is no penalty to continuously doing it.

[Kreugen]

I got ten times as much honor playing AV than I did trying to afk it, so its not really worth the risk now, but its still effective enough that people will do it.

Now I'm actually contemplating afking the OTHER bg's because every fucking pug I've joined the last two weeks has started out with 15 alliance vs 5-10 horde. Horde has an average of 10 minute queues, so people queue up across the board and fuck themselves into these lopsided games. I don't remember that shit happening to alliance when they had three times as many level 70's as horde. (dunno what the hell happened since then) Pug AB went from automatic win to "well gee I hope we get at least 10 before the game starts."

EOTS is pointless to pug. I joined a game, 15 on 15. I went to Fel Reaver. I was alone. Alliance sent two people, who I saw coming well ahead of time so I asked for help. Help never arrived. Alliance proceeded to cap four towers with their shit geared pug. I /danced at the graveyard for a bit after noting that at least four other horde had also stopped bothering to leave the GY (they weren't afk)

Yeah, I'd rather afk my 1 token at a time than play a pug that is outnumbered from the start. I'd rather have 5-10 people in a premade than do either, though, and more than likely I'll get the tokens I need that way and I won't actually afk them, because unlike a lot of those fucks I'd feel like a tool doing it.

I have every intention of losing my way to the 10 or so WSG marks I need, afk or not, as even getting a premade isn't worth dealing with the possiblity of some fuck sploiting a flag and wasting my time. I hate hate HATE wsg. Fuck people, stop slowing them down and just fucking lose so we can get this over with. I bet we can lose our way 1 token at a time faster than winning.

I've done it in AV and felt like an ass doing it, but I just rerolled and my green ass shit isn't doing anyone any good. I've also spent 12 hour days playing nothing but AV so at least I contributed that much.

PS: People are doing a SHIT job reporting afkers now, even during primetime. If they are going to be that goddamn lazy about reporting then its hard to feel bad about doing it.

[Azzikai]

Originally Posted by FuckYou

the second problem is that the real AFKers will run out of the cave and suicide to clear the debuff when (if) they get it.

The ones in my BG have adapted, they initially participate but after they get some damage/healing done they run off to the zone wall and just sit there. When you sort for the 0/0 guys they obviously don't show up. Still, when you're at the end of an AV and see two Warlocks, a pair of Rogues and four Shaman who all have damage/healing under 10k you know something is up. I try and petition them during the fight (seriously, why on earth is a Warlock sitting in one of the little houses near SH?) but no one else seems to have caught on.

[Zerai]

I want your battlegroup =x On Vengeance, Horde decimate EoTS. Alliance sorta try but fall apart quickly and lose pretty quick after that.

[chu]

Originally Posted by Lambourne

The amount of effort people are willing to put into not playing amazes me.

Because the pvp game is retardedly boring and stale. That single sentence speaks volumes and instead of whining about how to FORCE people to play the abomination, it should be about encouraging play by fuckign implementing something new. pvp has had no new content for over 2 years now, what the fuck?

[Grave]

BGs suck and they will never properly fix them. I'd say they regret even implementing them at this point.

[Grumpy Old Fart]

Originally Posted by Kreugen

I got ten times as much honor playing AV than I did trying to afk it, so its not really worth the risk now, but its still effective enough that people will do it.

Now I'm actually contemplating afking the OTHER bg's because every fucking pug I've joined the last two weeks has started out with 15 alliance vs 5-10 horde. Horde has an average of 10 minute queues, so people queue up across the board and fuck themselves into these lopsided games. I don't remember that shit happening to alliance when they had three times as many level 70's as horde. (dunno what the hell happened since then) Pug AB went from automatic win to "well gee I hope we get at least 10 before the game starts."

EOTS is pointless to pug. I joined a game, 15 on 15. I went to Fel Reaver. I was alone. Alliance sent two people, who I saw coming well ahead of time so I asked for help. Help never arrived. Alliance proceeded to cap four towers with their shit geared pug. I /danced at the graveyard for a bit after noting that at least four other horde had also stopped bothering to leave the GY (they weren't afk)

Yeah, I'd rather afk my 1 token at a time than play a pug that is outnumbered from the start. I'd rather have 5-10 people in a premade than do either, though, and more than likely I'll get the tokens I need that way and I won't actually afk them, because unlike a lot of those fucks I'd feel like a tool doing it.

I have every intention of losing my way to the 10 or so WSG marks I need, afk or not, as even getting a premade isn't worth dealing with the possiblity of some fuck sploiting a flag and wasting my time. I hate hate HATE wsg. Fuck people, stop slowing them down and just fucking lose so we can get this over with. I bet we can lose our way 1 token at a time faster than winning.

I've done it in AV and felt like an ass doing it, but I just rerolled and my green ass shit isn't doing anyone any good. I've also spent 12 hour days playing nothing but AV so at least I contributed that much.

PS: People are doing a SHIT job reporting afkers now, even during primetime. If they are going to be that goddamn lazy about reporting then its hard to feel bad about doing it.

Dude, I've been reading your posts here for many years, and never realized until now what a shithead you are. That's a pretty self-centered, asshole set of mind to think that "it's OK" to AFK in these BGs for your own stupid reasons. You're taking up a BG slot from people who might actually want to play the damn game, not to mention that you might be fucking over the other 14 in your BG who happen to want to give it a good try during that match.

Such very low ethics, morals, and respect for your fellow gamer is very unbecoming, sir. And that excuse about having "green gear" that you use to justify this shit in this and other threads makes you look like a whiny little bitch. Hell, my 70 Holy Priest has "green gear" and I've made an immense difference in many AV and other BG wins for the Horde.

[drenth]

The AFK reporting system introduced did nothing. It's actually helped botters. Previously if you were botting and having the bot auto queue while you were away from your computer you were always at risk of being banned. Someone would eventually report you and a GM would come checking. With the introduction of the player report feature and the debuffs, no one petitions GMs anymore. They just click the context menu and be done with it. This has allowed botters to run bots 24/7 with 0 risk of being banned. They get slightly less honor, but it's offset by them being able to run the bot overnight.

WoW has become like UO really in how easy it is to get caught up. Instead of macroing skills, you're macroing honor, and in a few weeks, you're going to be in full S1 epics, with the battlemaster's trinket and all the accessories. I'm not sure if it's that bad of a thing.

Oh and to get rid of the inactive debuff you can't just run into a pack of players, die and have it removed. You're force to do an aggressive PvP action, not just take damage.

[Jubee]

The idle debuff actually did wonders for AV. It wasn't the perfect solution but it helped.

It needs to be taken a step farther though. Just boot anybody that gets Idle immediately. I don't afk in AV but I have guarded a tower waiting for it to cap and I've never once gotten Idle. If you have it, you aren't even going out of your way to pretend you aren't afking.

This became very clear once the BG dailies were put in. I started throwing together guild groups to knock them out every day. Sometimes we don't get a full 10/15 and a pug gets in. 90% of the time that pug notices he got the luck of the draw and joined a premade and just afks on the WSG roof or in the AB hut. Normally that isn't a big deal but if we play another premade, it becomes a huge liability. I don't care if it's a prot pally in all greens running around as long as he works for it.

[Lenaldo]

Meh, I afk AV all the time... Honor is a horrible grind that becomes unfun about 10mins after starting it.

TBH, the honor-grind reminds me a LOT of the old EQ one(which I often Afked as well). If I can get 2 things done in the same amount of time as I could get one, I'll do it everytime. The people who want to "play" AV are not hindered by my lack of interaction; sure it may be harder to win.. but the essence of the game is still there. A boring race to the end.... just my team has one less person. Honestly though, the best way I have found is to just defend a tower or something.. that way Im helping my team while doing jack shit.... And by jack shit I mean finishing zelda on the wii that I should have beaten eons ago!

Create a system that is fun, and more people will play. But to have a mind-numbing grind that is somewhat required(for pvp), you will get people who don't want put in the hours.

[drenth]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

Meh, I afk AV all the time... Honor is a horrible grind that becomes unfun about 10mins after starting it.

TBH, the honor-grind reminds me a LOT of the old EQ one(which I often Afked as well). If I can get 2 things done in the same amount of time as I could get one, I'll do it everytime. The people who want to "play" AV are not hindered by my lack of interaction; sure it may be harder to win.. but the essence of the game is still there. A boring race to the end.... just my team has one less person. Honestly though, the best way I have found is to just defend a tower or something.. that way Im helping my team while doing jack shit.... And by jack shit I mean finishing zelda on the wii that I should have beaten eons ago!

I've AFK'd about 150k honor. Unlike you though, I don't try to rationalize it with bullshit.

You are messing up the game for others and violating the spirit of what Blizzard is trying to set up. It's not some major sin, but let's just be honest, this is what we're doing when we're AFKing.

[Gieve]

I've afk'd about 250k honor. I'm a shaman tho, and I need 3 sets =]

No justification here. I have a keyboard system set up where I map all my keyboard keys to movement and healing on another machine, so when I'm playing another game on my PC, my laptop will move my character around and heal himself etc. Works well, all I have to do is initially leave the tunnel.

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by FuckYou

players should have to achieve a percentage of the average healing done / damage done to get credit for participating.

do 20% of the average hd/dd and get honor. otherwise get a 2 hour deserter debuff.

calculations should take in to account late-comers to the BG and GY / Tower recaps / defenses, and perhaps even proximity to an objective, but this gets a bit complicated.

I disagree, there are so many times when I have to stay back from the hive mind since they leave shit like SH GY undefended. In the span of the cap, I may only get one or two kills, which would have otherwise capped SH.

[kaid]

It also takes some time for the debuff to kick in and given that the matchs in av this weekend on my battle group were taking roughly 10 to 12 minutes from start to finish there is not much time nor inclination for people to bother reporting afkers

[Angerz]

Originally Posted by drenth

The AFK reporting system introduced did nothing. It's actually helped botters. Previously if you were botting and having the bot auto queue while you were away from your computer you were always at risk of being banned. Someone would eventually report you and a GM would come checking. With the introduction of the player report feature and the debuffs, no one petitions GMs anymore. They just click the context menu and be done with it. This has allowed botters to run bots 24/7 with 0 risk of being banned. They get slightly less honor, but it's offset by them being able to run the bot overnight.

This is very true. If you petition someone is AFK botting, some GMs will tell you to use the AFK reporting features. Others won't bother petitioning, it didnt work in the past, it really wont work now, just /afk them and hope for the best.

One guy I know who runs a bot says he gets about 80% of the honor he used to, but with 0% of the risk since no one reports anymore.