NCSoft Acquires City of Heroes/Villains Franchise

[Surlok TP]

Originally Posted by Fury

Actually, the debt issue is virtually non-existant anymore. Debt still exists but a single mission will usually take it out. Coming back will usually earn players a bunch of badges, some of which are actually useful. All of them are if you're a badge hunter.

It seems pretty obvious that more then a few here simply don't like it for whatever bullshit reason they can come up with. End game, raiding, has been in since Issue 1 or 2 (cant recall off the top of my head). Yep, CoV Patron Powers are different then CoH Epic Powers. So what? It's a different game. Or is it more that the less then 5% who PvP aren't exactly alike? Forget that CoX has the best combat of any MMO out there. Forget that level virtually mean nothing when trying to group with mates since side-kicking and exemplaring means you always can. And with the addition of Invention Origins all the loot criers can gleefully spend hours and hours worrying about loot. But if you want to make a single character and play him/her for three years and have stuff to do, then yep, you might have issues. But then again, does anyone actually do that in a MMO? How many level 60's did everyone have before they released BC? 3 - 6 would be my guess.

I think the best way to sum it up comes from a saying that I heard about Vanguard...."You're just not hardcore enough for CoX."

You are being sarcastic? seriously? I know there is a slew of people that madly play this game over and over leveling up multiple classes and identities and enjoy the shit out of doing the same missions over and over again each time since nothing changes save your class when you start over, thats fine.

I want the character and super identity I created to actually mean something, the fact that I leveled to 50 and got nothing but the opportunity to start over again as a race that people who hadn't reached the end don't is stupid. Congratulations you made it to 50! now start over, forget that I don't even want to be a warshade or a peacebringer anyway...


Not to mention I leveled as a DM/DA scrapper before their shields could stack and had to put up with a millions deaths and millions of debt thanks to having either no status defense, or having a status defense but no other defense period , I know all about playing this game on hardcore mode.


You can raid Hami at 46 or whatever it is to get into that zone, unless they have changed the encounter,if you are melee with fly/SJ you can't even do anything unless a amoeba happens to be close to the ground, and you can do this everyday for Hami O's which are not even necessary now thanks to the way they adjusted power gains for slotting and the new invention shit.


There is nothing at 50 but a TF and the trial thing, whoop di fucking do.




I have said this a million times, this game should have been phantasy star for super heroes. you play offline leveling your character and cleaning up each zone of the city of all the villains, choosing any power making whatever you want, then you log online ala PO and join teams via lobbies or some bullshit and go run a mission to kill an AV. That is basically what this game is, it is totally unnecessary to be a full blown MMO, if anything it totally ruins immersion since there is ,at least when the game was popular, at least 50 heroes killing shit in the area you are in,what is so super about being a super hero when there is a shit load of other people jumping higher and flying faster than you are?

It's fucking dumb.


They should just revert the game back to like issue 2 so we can at least do 50 mob herd missions again because that was fucking fun shit, regardless of how safe and risk free it is, at least it was different than most MMO's now it's just the same mez, assist tank on minions bullshit ,then kill the elite like every other MMO out there...



And don't even get me started on the PVP, what a fucking blast it is, join the zone,spend an hour looking for someone that is actually there, go after them to pvp and watch as they run away because they were only in the zone in the first place to get their exploration badges.... /stabface

[goatface]

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

They should just revert the game back to like issue 2 so we can at least do 50 mob herd missions again because that was fucking fun shit

while not a herd, i was so sad when they nerfed portals

[Fury]

Originally Posted by Surlok TP

I want the character and super identity I created to actually mean something, the fact that I leveled to 50 and got nothing but the opportunity to start over again as a race that people who hadn't reached the end don't is stupid. Congratulations you made it to 50! now start over, forget that I don't even want to be a warshade or a peacebringer anyway...

I can't think of a single MMO where I got to max level and had it mean something. I think the single most frustrating thing for all the hardcore players is that they can't pull out their epeen and show how awesome their character is, simply because everyone else can do the same thing. I think that's real truth about it. There is no crowing over other players.

You are exceptional as a player, not as time put in (although they can often be the same). The funny thing is that certain players have managed to get that meaning that you miss. But it's all in the skill of play.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Fury

I can't think of a single MMO where I got to max level and had it mean something. I think the single most frustrating thing for all the hardcore players is that they can't pull out their epeen and show how awesome their character is, simply because everyone else can do the same thing. I think that's real truth about it. There is no crowing over other players.

You have to be kidding me. There's not much real truth in what you posted. Players want things to do in MMO's at the endgame. Look at WOW, EQ1, EQ2, FFXI and any other major MMO out there for example. I enjoy taking down targets and beating new encounters with groups of friends, as do many other customers in the MMO market. With COH, you play a few classes to the endgame, and just quit. There's no reason to keep playing because there's no new endgame content. And as it has been said before, no one enjoys replaying the same content from levels 1-50 over and over and over again. I play WOW and EQ2 because I know the devs are going to keep adding in tougher and tougher encounters.

I'd rather stab myself in my eye with a rusty fork repeatedly than to play COH for more than a couple of months at a time.

[Genjiro]

Originally Posted by Fury

I can't think of a single MMO where I got to max level and had it mean something.

Do you live on the same planet as the rest of us? Have you even played other mmo's at all? It just sounds like you have some kind of epeen inferiority complex and are mad that lots of people got epics and you didn't, so enough of your claims that everyone has bullshit reasons for having serious beefs with CoX. In games like Everquest, EQII, WoW, FFXI etc, getting to high levels essentially unlocks quite a bit of new content that is previously unreachable until you get the levels, gear, guildmates, required keys, and so forth.

CoH has little to no content at max level aside from a couple gimmicky raids and STF/LRSF, and no real reason for you to strive to attain max level either. The fact that you casually dismiss huge issues like the epic/PPP problem just shows how little you are able to grasp the problems of this game, and on top of everything else you posted, how little you grasp about gaming in general.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

...how little you grasp about gaming in general.

He may be shilling for the COH dev team - his observations are so far from reality that he's either on the payroll are missing a chromosome or two. A few weeks ago we had someone in one of these threads admit that he had been doing so for quite some time.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...se-info-2.html

[Fury]

It's just clearly obvious that I play to have fun, and clearly as obvious that you two play to get your uber loot and wave your epeens around.

When I hit max in EQ2 with my Warlock, there wasn't any special meaning to it. When I hit max in WoW with my Hunter, again it didn't have any special meaning. The only thing both of those things did was allow me to change from grinding up from 1 - 50/60/70 was to grind for loot or AA. Big whoop-dee-do.

You can keep claiming there is something more after max level, but it's all just a personal choice in what you're grinding for. At least in when you reroll a new character there is something tangible in the levels you get, as well as new spells and abilities. When you keep grinding at max all you get to show for it is a lot of time that might land you an uber item. I guess the real question is, if I can already kill all the normal stuff in a game, and even some that I'm not supposed to be able to kill and should require a group, what good is the better loot that only helps in raid situations, which requires a raid to get anyway?

*shrug*

To each their own.

Oh, and no I am not a shill for CoX by any means. It's just annoying to hear people spew erroneous stuff in exaggerated terms. If you have an issue(s) with a game, that’s fine, discussions are easy to work out. But to out and out be wrong about it and mislead others is just a step beyond.

[kasey]

Originally Posted by goatface

while not a herd, i was so sad when they nerfed portals

I am blind WTF someone turn it off HEPL URG

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Fury

But to out and out be wrong about it and mislead others is just a step beyond.

Are you getting paid per post, or on the dev team also? This board is full of people who have tried COH, hit the level cap and quit from sheer boredom. The fact that you argue that two instances is enough stuff to do three years after launch tells me you must be on the payroll. The loot is only part of it - being able to reminisce about my guild's first POF break, the first time we beat Trakanon, or the first time we killed Zlandicar, or the time we raided POH for fifteen hours, those are fond memories. It is also a fond memory to keep wiping to a mob for two weeks, and then finally beat him. There is nothing sweeter. This is why we play MMO's and not satisfy our alto-holic urges. I have none of those memories in COH, because there are just the same two raids we can run over and over again.

You can say that I am just another hardcore raider, but in EQ1, we were probably your average guild, not too casual or hardcore.

Its like you are living on Bizarro world. You know jack squat about any thing other than playing casually. Or else you'd already know this.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

Are you getting paid per post, or on the dev team also? This board is full of people who have tried COH, hit the level cap and quit from sheer boredom. The fact that you argue that two instances is enough stuff to do three years after launch tells me you must be on the payroll. The loot is only part of it - being able to reminisce about my guild's first POF break, the first time we beat Trakanon, or the first time we killed Zlandicar, or the time we raided POH for fifteen hours, those are fond memories. It is also a fond memory to keep wiping to a mob for two weeks, and then finally beat him. There is nothing sweeter. This is why we play MMO's and not satisfy our alto-holic urges. I have none of those memories in COH, because there are just the same two raids we can run over and over again.

You can say that I am just another hardcore raider, but in EQ1, we were probably your average guild, not too casual or hardcore.

Its like you are living on Bizarro world. You know jack squat about any thing other than playing casually. Or else you'd already know this.

Originally Posted by Lyrical

You can say that I am just another hardcore raider, but in EQ1, we were probably your average guild, not too casual or hardcore..

Originally Posted by Lyrical

or the time we raided POH for fifteen hours

I don't think you know what "hardcore" means, because it's pretty obvious you fit the definition spot on.

[Blank]

I think CoX appeals to a different type of gamer than most "hardcore" gamers.

There's a lot more room for alt-itis because CoX tends to add more low/mid-level content versus high level content. There's also a large selection of powerset combinations to try out which (I guess) adds to replayability.

As far as end-game content goes, CoX is pretty barren. They are improving (new recipes/loot system, 2 new end game instances, re-made Hami encounter) but I doubt it'll be their main focus. Even in WoW, how many people run the end game instances out of their entire playerbase? 5%? It's not nearly as large as a draw as you think it'd be. The only people it would really hook are the posters here :P Casual-Joe doesn't really give a shit.

Finally, CoX is basically the only game in town as far as Superhero MMO's go (AFAIK). If there were any competition out there (new Marvel MMO for example), I'd imagine their subs would take a hit.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Fury

I don't think you know what "hardcore" means, because it's pretty obvious you fit the definition spot on.

Man, you suck. We raided two or three times a week, and sometimes went weeks without raiding at all. If you think that is hardcore, you should be banned from these boards for life. But please feel free to talk about things you don't know about, you've been doing it pretty much all your posting life here on FOH.

I can't believe you are arguing that having no endgame is decent design. We are trying to have an intelligent discussion here by experienced gamers and it is clear that you just started playing MMO's.

Please, play some more MMO's and refrain from posting on these boards until after your balls drop.

[Skurd]

I played CoH on release for 2months with some friends and it's one of the MMO's I had the most fun with while it lasted.
There wasn't much to hold us there past the second month so we just stopped but the game in itself is a brilliant example of fun gameplay and innovative mechanisms.
Let alone the awesome character creation options.

If they did add some equipment and more consequent raids I would totally play this over EQ2, WoW or VG.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

Man, you suck. We raided two or three times a week, and sometimes went weeks without raiding at all. If you think that is hardcore, you should be banned from these boards for life. But please feel free to talk about things you don't know about, you've been doing it pretty much all your posting life here on FOH.

I can't believe you are arguing that having no endgame is decent design. We are trying to have an intelligent discussion here by experienced gamers and it is clear that you just started playing MMO's.

Please, play some more MMO's and refrain from posting on these boards until after your balls drop.

Again I think you're confused. I'm pretty sure I never said having no endgame was a decent design. You might be right in regards to my MMO experience. I've only been playing MMO's for about 8 years now. You're trying to have an intelligent discussion? Since when? If you mean throw a trantrum like a 13 year old girl, then I think you are definately close to the mark.

I like that personal touch your adding to your posts. I didn't mean to get you all riled up there little girl. You might want to pull away from the computer and take your meds before you get into a real frenzy. I'm sure your parents have padded those basement walls for you, so you should be safe if you can't. And remember they love you, because, well, they have to. Try Vanguard again. I'm sure it will give you what you're looking for now. I'll stop talking about CoX and pointing out your errors now so you can calm down.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Fury

Again I think you're confused. I'm pretty sure I never said having no endgame was a decent design.

You've been arguing this the last few pages, starting where you said that there's been endgame content since issue 1 and 2. Several posters have been trying to correct you ever since. I am not sure communicating with you further is useful, because clearly you can't even remember your viewpoints from post-to-post.

Why bother posting here? You are clearly unable to make any valid points on anything MMO-related. Clearly the retards have been loosed from the Rickshaw on an unsuspecting public.