[WoW] PvE to PvP transfers are long overdue. - Page 2

Everlast · 10-15-2007, 08:32 PM

the only issue is, all the PVE servers will basically be purposeless.

Makata · 10-15-2007, 08:34 PM

Having recently rerolled on a pvp server because my roommate insisted, I am every day amazed at how pathetic the overwhelming majority of people on these servers are. 70s hanging around in hillsbrad, arathi, stv .. doing nothing but ganking lower levels. The same level 70 warrior killed me 3 times in 3 separate parts of stv in the span of under 60-90 mintues.

Why?

I can't speak for everyone, and I'm sure someone is going to just chime in about being used to blue care bear servers, but I don't understand why you're allowed to openly attack someone more than 4 levels below you. With some very nominal exceptions, it's an auto-win. Maybe 4 levels isn't enough of a gap, but it makes no sense to me whatsoever why a 70 would want to attack a 36. What do you gain? You get no honor, no loot, no coin. It can't even be that fun considering it's nothing but 1 or 2 attacks with 0 chance of losing. It doesn't even count as an HK for your epeen total. I passed by lower level people all the time and it never once occured to me to kill them. I even came across a night elf trying to run away at 10% and I rooted the mob that was chasing him to help him. What do I gain by pissing off someone I've never met?

They probably don't allow pve -> pvp transfers since leveling up without being able to be ganked only to turn around and gank while at 70 would be kind of silly. As for where the raid guilds are clustered, I'm baffled as to why they're on pvp servers. Then again, if your definition of fun is killing people half your level between raids, I probably wouldn't want to be in your guild anyway.

Teger · 10-15-2007, 08:41 PM

Why Makata, why?

farlin · 10-15-2007, 08:45 PM

My experience on a pvp server was pretty different, I hardly got ganked (only like 45 i think so it might get worse) by anyone vastly higher then me. Sure it happened but its not like it slows leveling down that much.

Only reason for no pve->pvp atm is because then blizzard has to fix all the dead pve servers

Algol Devilstar · 10-15-2007, 08:47 PM

They do it because they can and they know that someone is crying on some messageboard somewhere about being ganked.

James · 10-15-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Makata

They probably don't allow pve -> pvp transfers since leveling up without being able to be ganked only to turn around and gank while at 70 would be kind of silly.

That's the archaic mindset I'm talking about. Having levelled up at release, twice, just before the transfers, once, in burning crusade three times all on PvP servers, the levelling situation as it stands now is much improved from back in the day. Not saying that world PvP does not happen while levelling, or that you won't get ganked, but that it will not seriously put a damper on your playtime like it used to. You got ganked 3 times in 3 different parts -- I used to run a 6 minute timer 24/7 in Hillsbrad. It's just not the same landscape anymore, the people who levelled up right before they implemented the first character transfers did so in a completely different game than we have now. The rules simply need to be evaluated and updated to fit with the overall vision of WoW.

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Only reason for no pve->pvp atm is because then blizzard has to fix all the dead pve servers

This is an entirely seperate issue and should not be confused with the desire to implement PvE->PvP servers. There are many, many people who still wish to play on PvE servers. I just do not happen to be one of them. Hell, you might not happen to be one of them. But those people do exist, and that ruleset will continue to exist to accomodate them. Solutions on how to fix low population/under progressed PvE realms is just not relevant here.

Makata · 10-15-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by James

You got ganked 3 times in 3 different parts -- I used to run a 6 minute timer 24/7 in Hillsbrad.

I really wouldn't care if I got ganked once all the way to 70. It's not about the loss of time. Granted I probably take the game way too seriously but words cannot describe how mad I get that someone has the right to arbitrarily waste my time. I set up a macro with 9 emotes (laugh, pity, and golfclap 3 times each) and just spammed it whenever someone ganked me. At least I got to do something to them .. flood their screen and make them lose all guild chat / whispers. It's all I can do. Makes absolutely no sense though. If the person you're fighting doesn't stand a chance of killing you, you shouldn't be able to kill them.

That being said, I can't WAIT for someone to mention "warlocks" and "1v1" in response to that.

Angerz · 10-15-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Makata

I really wouldn't care if I got ganked once all the way to 70. It's not about the loss of time. Granted I probably take the game way too seriously but words cannot describe how mad I get that someone has the right to arbitrarily waste my time. I set up a macro with 9 emotes (laugh, pity, and golfclap 3 times each) and just spammed it whenever someone ganked me. At least I got to do something to them .. flood their screen and make them lose all guild chat / whispers. It's all I can do. Makes absolutely no sense though. If the person you're fighting doesn't stand a chance of killing you, you shouldn't be able to kill them.

That being said, I can't WAIT for someone to mention "warlocks" and "1v1" in response to that.

It's still not much of an issue any more. You will probably get ganked in Arathi and STV, but there are no groups of people roaming around redridge killing level 21s, camping duskwood GY, or every other alliance quest hub.

I really felt pity for people trying to level past December of launch on alliance on malganis. Everywhere you turned, a 60 was ready to rape you.

Now, not so much.

Grumpy Old Fart · 10-15-2007, 09:47 PM

Why do those 70s camp places like STV and kill level 30s? It's simple, really. The majority of players on NA PvP servers are 12-20 year old, public-school "educated" (i.e., "u"-speaking retards), immature, spoiled brat, little asshole dudes that get most of their ADD-infused satisfaction in life by being "cool" and/or an anonymous internet assholes to other people online. When you just got your ass kicked by your dad for back-talking to mom, "pwning nubs" in STV looks pretty good to these kids.

And yes, I did a 60 priest a couple of years ago on a WoW PvP server. I was in "teh uber" Horde PvP-only guild at the time, so most Alliance generally left me alone (or they had a large stormtrooper squad on their ass within 5 minutes).

Being one of those horrible "role players" and liking a little "immersion" in my "role playing" games, I really enjoyed the tense atmosphere on the PvP server, generally. The complete retardation of places like Gadgetzan (and BB, etc.) where you can get perma-ganked due to the massive Alliance over-population at that time pretty much ruined that "immersion" plan for me. This leaves out the fact, of course, that if it was even remotely "realistic/immersive", anybody of any faction that's killing people in "their" town would be black-listed and KOS to the goblins, etc. (hey, you're killing their customers).

I like PvP, a lot. Unfortunately, "world" PvP in the latest round of MMORPGs leaves a lot to be desired. Luckily, WoW has the reasonably fair-play refuge of BGs and arenas to play in, at least until WAR or AoC, etc. arrive.

And as to the OP, I'm a bit mystified as well. Normally, the cynical side of me would think Blizzard is only thinking of maximizing cash flow in any decision of this nature. But depriving themselves of the vast numbers of $25 CC charges that would result from allowing these PvE->PvP transfers almost looks like they consider the integrity of their game above money. My goodness, what is the world coming to and, most importantly, are Vivendi execs aware of this?

LadyVex · 10-15-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Angerz

It's still not much of an issue any more. You will probably get ganked in Arathi and STV, but there are no groups of people roaming around redridge killing level 21s, camping duskwood GY, or every other alliance quest hub.

I really felt pity for people trying to level past December of launch on alliance on malganis. Everywhere you turned, a 60 was ready to rape you.

Now, not so much.

It's gotta be server specific, because leveling anywhere that flagged me as a lowbie on Sargeras was instant rape if I couldn't turn aside or run from a max level char.

Badlands, Thousand Needles, Ashenvale - areas that shouldn't have any high levels ANYWHERE FUCKING NEAR THE VACINITY, were the most prime targets. I leveled up only with a partner, and often times it was just stupid since we were giving the 60 satisfaction from killing two vastly under leveled chars instead of one.

Restrictions on asshats, and all servers go to pvp would be enjoyable. I like the thrill of the hunt; even going thru an area I know I will be owned in is fun - you either do it sneaky or some 60 nails you. But being in ashenvale to die to the same fucking level 60 undead priest with a mish'undare was fucking retarded. Like, hi, don't you have better shit to do?

mek · 10-15-2007, 10:36 PM

SIGNED. Leveling in PvP is totally irrelevant (now? or always has been). Outside of STV I've been ganked maybe 5 times total from 1-50.

also WAY overdue: secondary talent trees, switch between talent setting #1 and talent setting #2 free, 24hr cooldown.

Zehn - Vhex · 10-15-2007, 10:38 PM

24 hour cooldown? Fuck that. 20 minute cooldown, tops.

mek · 10-15-2007, 10:39 PM

Well, that'd be ideal, but at this point I'm willing to settle. :P

Usha Starchild · 10-15-2007, 10:42 PM

Shoulda tried leveling on Kiljaeden (spelling) at launch. SVT was awful. I was lucky because I was one of the faster levelers but helping guildies get though SVT was a task.

Wow has changed a lot though, with the new graveyards and flight paths it makes it a bit easier. I have leveled up on new servers PVP and the ganking is still around, but its easier with the added GY's and FP's.

Zehn - Vhex · 10-15-2007, 10:45 PM

I think I've been ganked a total of a dozen times since January. Had the first BE Paladin to 70 on BDF, my priest/shaman from 60-70 and now a warlock from 1-54.

It's really a non-issue. I've died more times to going afk to take a piss and coming back with respawn having waxed me.

10-15-2007, 08:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Makata Johnny Fucking Headshot Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,063 -70 Internets	Having recently rerolled on a pvp server because my roommate insisted, I am every day amazed at how pathetic the overwhelming majority of people on these servers are. 70s hanging around in hillsbrad, arathi, stv .. doing nothing but ganking lower levels. The same level 70 warrior killed me 3 times in 3 separate parts of stv in the span of under 60-90 mintues. Why? I can't speak for everyone, and I'm sure someone is going to just chime in about being used to blue care bear servers, but I don't understand why you're allowed to openly attack someone more than 4 levels below you. With some very nominal exceptions, it's an auto-win. Maybe 4 levels isn't enough of a gap, but it makes no sense to me whatsoever why a 70 would want to attack a 36. What do you gain? You get no honor, no loot, no coin. It can't even be that fun considering it's nothing but 1 or 2 attacks with 0 chance of losing. It doesn't even count as an HK for your epeen total. I passed by lower level people all the time and it never once occured to me to kill them. I even came across a night elf trying to run away at 10% and I rooted the mob that was chasing him to help him. What do I gain by pissing off someone I've never met? They probably don't allow pve -> pvp transfers since leveling up without being able to be ganked only to turn around and gank while at 70 would be kind of silly. As for where the raid guilds are clustered, I'm baffled as to why they're on pvp servers. Then again, if your definition of fun is killing people half your level between raids, I probably wouldn't want to be in your guild anyway. __________________

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10-15-2007, 08:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
Everlast Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 825 +0 Internets	the only issue is, all the PVE servers will basically be purposeless.

10-15-2007, 08:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
Teger Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 552 -1 Internets	Why Makata, why?

10-15-2007, 08:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
farlin Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 117 +0 Internets	My experience on a pvp server was pretty different, I hardly got ganked (only like 45 i think so it might get worse) by anyone vastly higher then me. Sure it happened but its not like it slows leveling down that much. Only reason for no pve->pvp atm is because then blizzard has to fix all the dead pve servers

10-15-2007, 08:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
Algol Devilstar Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The NW Posts: 3,497 +0 Internets	They do it because they can and they know that someone is crying on some messageboard somewhere about being ganked.

10-15-2007, 09:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
Grumpy Old Fart You fucking kids get off my lawn! Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Dakota Posts: 408 -1 Internets	Why do those 70s camp places like STV and kill level 30s? It's simple, really. The majority of players on NA PvP servers are 12-20 year old, public-school "educated" (i.e., "u"-speaking retards), immature, spoiled brat, little asshole dudes that get most of their ADD-infused satisfaction in life by being "cool" and/or an anonymous internet assholes to other people online. When you just got your ass kicked by your dad for back-talking to mom, "pwning nubs" in STV looks pretty good to these kids. And yes, I did a 60 priest a couple of years ago on a WoW PvP server. I was in "teh uber" Horde PvP-only guild at the time, so most Alliance generally left me alone (or they had a large stormtrooper squad on their ass within 5 minutes). Being one of those horrible "role players" and liking a little "immersion" in my "role playing" games, I really enjoyed the tense atmosphere on the PvP server, generally. The complete retardation of places like Gadgetzan (and BB, etc.) where you can get perma-ganked due to the massive Alliance over-population at that time pretty much ruined that "immersion" plan for me. This leaves out the fact, of course, that if it was even remotely "realistic/immersive", anybody of any faction that's killing people in "their" town would be black-listed and KOS to the goblins, etc. (hey, you're killing their customers). I like PvP, a lot. Unfortunately, "world" PvP in the latest round of MMORPGs leaves a lot to be desired. Luckily, WoW has the reasonably fair-play refuge of BGs and arenas to play in, at least until WAR or AoC, etc. arrive. And as to the OP, I'm a bit mystified as well. Normally, the cynical side of me would think Blizzard is only thinking of maximizing cash flow in any decision of this nature. But depriving themselves of the vast numbers of $25 CC charges that would result from allowing these PvE->PvP transfers almost looks like they consider the integrity of their game above money. My goodness, what is the world coming to and, most importantly, are Vivendi execs aware of this?

10-15-2007, 10:36 PM	#26 (permalink)
mek homosexual Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 1,191 -8 Internets	SIGNED. Leveling in PvP is totally irrelevant (now? or always has been). Outside of STV I've been ganked maybe 5 times total from 1-50. also WAY overdue: secondary talent trees, switch between talent setting #1 and talent setting #2 free, 24hr cooldown.

10-15-2007, 10:38 PM	#27 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,011 +26 Internets	24 hour cooldown? Fuck that. 20 minute cooldown, tops.

10-15-2007, 10:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
mek homosexual Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 1,191 -8 Internets	Well, that'd be ideal, but at this point I'm willing to settle. :P

10-15-2007, 10:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
Usha Starchild Whatever I touch turns to Rickshaw. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 912 -5 Internets	Shoulda tried leveling on Kiljaeden (spelling) at launch. SVT was awful. I was lucky because I was one of the faster levelers but helping guildies get though SVT was a task. Wow has changed a lot though, with the new graveyards and flight paths it makes it a bit easier. I have leveled up on new servers PVP and the ganking is still around, but its easier with the added GY's and FP's.

10-15-2007, 10:45 PM	#30 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,011 +26 Internets	I think I've been ganked a total of a dozen times since January. Had the first BE Paladin to 70 on BDF, my priest/shaman from 60-70 and now a warlock from 1-54. It's really a non-issue. I've died more times to going afk to take a piss and coming back with respawn having waxed me.