Vanguard Development Moves to the San Diego Studio - Page 6

Believe · 10-16-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bongk

I hear horizons kicks ass now!!

Maybe you should check it out too. Hell lets start a petition to get ASherons Call 2 back.

I actually really enjoyed Asheron's Call 2, and wish I played it a lot more since I'll never get to play it again.

Seriously, some of the most fun classes I've ever played.

Jait · 10-16-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithrull

Well whatever their plans, the first phase of GU 3 seems to be generally positive. Lots of people, including myself, noticing FPS boosts; some as high as 20-30 fps.

Thing is. The majority doesn't care. Ever date someone and have a great time, but then you find out her X is someone you hate? That's Vanguard. Doesn't matter now that she has a shiny new pimp, and a new set of tits. She's still Vanguard, and she still has Brad's stink all over her.

You reminded me with the 20-30 FPS how Brad came to these forums and lied his ass off about performance. I think he even went so far as to say it ran better than WoW and EQ2 on most machines. But it went far beyond simple lying to promote your product. Way beyond that. Threads like that one should've found their way into the Hall of Shame just for posterity.

UnchainedAcolyte · 10-16-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithrull

Don't look for any real content additions.

Fixed.

The writing is on the wall, sadly. People do not play games for potential unless it is realized.

Companies do not pour money into "potential" either, unless it is realized.

If SOE had been seriously committed to continuing Vanguard development, they would have thrown a decent budget and additional developers behind it.

They didn't.

GU3.1 did add some good things for the game, but just enough for it to be an acceptable Station Pass addition. I'm anxious to see when 3.2 and 3.3 will make it in given the new circumstances.

Plus, it makes more sense to fund and support a reasonably healthy EQ2, their own baby, than to feed and clothe Vanguard, the red-headed stepchild of Brad McQuaid.

And just to be fair, Bongk, you could consider me one of those "dumbasses" for Horizons; I certainly wouldn't say the game itself is good, but certain elements of it show promise, in my opinion: multi-classing, unlimited crafting classes for one toon, dragon classes, undead attacks on the cities, the rebuilding of ruins/statues/mines, etc.

I wanted to see Vanguard succeed, but the outlook is not pretty, and it's time to be realistic.

I must be the Dr. Cameron of failing MMOs.

Traldan · 10-16-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

I don't think there are any portions good enough to bother with. It's not like you can just transplant the engine (even if you were psycho and wanted to do that). Diplomacy wouldn't work and the new SOE card game takes care of that anyway. EQ2 tried that grindy ass crafting and already streamlined it as is. Not sure what there is in Vanguard that someone would want to rip out that they couldn't do better from scratch.

Of note, however, that despite the failings of the overall team to complete and market a viable and enjoyable product, the Diplomacy team was AMAZING. Yes, I'm biased, but rightfully so. Steve and the other developers worked to create an ideal relationship with the community at my site. We had a group of active players testing new content on Test and giving constant feedback. The devs would listen to suggestions, make changes where appropriate, and keep us apprised of upcoming fixes, content, etc. In my time working with them, I have no complaints. Steve was wonderful to work with, and I'm proud to have started a site that could foster such a wonderful community. It's truly a shame to see these developers go, for I know that even if SOE restarts development on Diplomacy at some point, it will likely never have the community input and cooperative development that we were so fortunate to experience.

Just my 2cp, take it how you will.

Vekruul Shuth · 10-16-2007, 03:14 PM

For what it's worth....I decided to try it out again.

Todays patch has made a HUGE difference in FPS. I was pulling MAXIMUM 30 FPS on a high medium settings with an 8800GTS (not the 320...forget the damn mem) DC AMD 5k+ and 3 gigs of mem.

Now? I am hitting 55 FPS on a regular basis rarely dipping into the 20's on medium high. Decided to bump to high settings. Mid to low 40's in the FPS's. Some dips into the 20's. Smooth as pie.

The biggest fix? That damn stuttering is gone.

Another thing of note. Right off the bat I am getting group invites as a lvl 10 bard. There looks to be a decent community at the low levels.

I may play the month out...see how it goes.

Ashes Emberblade · 10-16-2007, 03:37 PM

Our perma group desperately needs a bard around that level, I'll send you a pm about it.

kcxiv · 10-16-2007, 04:54 PM

Well, the new Lead Dev guy just said they are going to make it to where you can Xgame tell now. I hope i can join my old EQ channels, thats going to be awesome.

QforQ · 10-16-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Well, the new Lead Dev guy just said they are going to make it to where you can Xgame tell now. I hope i can join my old EQ channels, thats going to be awesome.

Most likely part of the new Station launcher, which starts its beta today I believe.

Ronaan · 10-22-2007, 12:23 PM

Honestly, I'm enjoying VG with a steady group (brotherhood).

I'm really casual though. If I ever go back to 40+ hours, WoW will be it.

tad10 · 10-22-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronaan

Honestly, I'm enjoying VG with a steady group (brotherhood).

I'm really casual though. If I ever go back to 40+ hours, WoW will be it.

Brotherhood is extremely groovy. Big shame they didn't put it in back in Jan when they had it almost finished. Solves the problem of the static group of friends with a mix of playstyles.

Mkopec1 · 10-22-2007, 05:06 PM

What ever happened to caravans? :P

Aamina · 10-22-2007, 05:07 PM

No, whatever happened to the entire team...aren't there like...a dozen, two dozen people working on it now? How anyone can expect anything more than very casual play while waiting for another game out of Vanguard is beyond me.

dechire · 10-22-2007, 05:10 PM

did i burn down? is that why this got bumped?

rangoth · 10-23-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mkopec1

What ever happened to caravans? :P

In and working as far as I know.

GaliemVaelant · 10-23-2007, 09:56 AM

The soap opera that is the MMORPG genre has become a monument to wasted potential, and SoE built the foundation. I don't blame Brad. He had employees to pay, so selling out to SoE was more a question of letting his employees' children eat. I don't blame SoE. They're a vampiric corporation that lets its victims live just long enough to come back and drain a trickle more for a while, but you can't blame a leech for being a leech, especially if it's really good at leeching. You can't blame the fans. Ever.

I blame Microsoft. Their greed drove them to try and force VG to be a Vista only title, and if it weren't for that, the game would only just now be hitting open beta. And I blame brown. I blame it too much.

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Vekruul Shuth Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 681 -6 Internets	For what it's worth....I decided to try it out again. Todays patch has made a HUGE difference in FPS. I was pulling MAXIMUM 30 FPS on a high medium settings with an 8800GTS (not the 320...forget the damn mem) DC AMD 5k+ and 3 gigs of mem. Now? I am hitting 55 FPS on a regular basis rarely dipping into the 20's on medium high. Decided to bump to high settings. Mid to low 40's in the FPS's. Some dips into the 20's. Smooth as pie. The biggest fix? That damn stuttering is gone. Another thing of note. Right off the bat I am getting group invites as a lvl 10 bard. There looks to be a decent community at the low levels. I may play the month out...see how it goes. Attached Images Last edited by Vekruul Shuth; 10-16-2007 at 03:19 PM..

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kcxiv Sim Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central Valley, Cali Posts: 4,149 +0 Internets	Well, the new Lead Dev guy just said they are going to make it to where you can Xgame tell now. I hope i can join my old EQ channels, thats going to be awesome. __________________ Kcxiv

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Ronaan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 575 +13 Internets	Honestly, I'm enjoying VG with a steady group (brotherhood). I'm really casual though. If I ever go back to 40+ hours, WoW will be it. __________________ retired monk of Solusek Ro Dr. Klaus "Screw it i'll just stick cinnamilk up my nose."

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Mkopec1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,221	What ever happened to caravans? :P __________________ When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.

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10-16-2007, 03:37 PM	#81 (permalink)
Ashes Emberblade I Do It For The Negs Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NOLA Posts: 1,809 -83 Internets	Our perma group desperately needs a bard around that level, I'll send you a pm about it.

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dechire /shrug Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Posts: 703	did i burn down? is that why this got bumped?

10-23-2007, 09:56 AM	#90 (permalink)
GaliemVaelant An Excellent Driver Join Date: May 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,818 +1 Internets	The soap opera that is the MMORPG genre has become a monument to wasted potential, and SoE built the foundation. I don't blame Brad. He had employees to pay, so selling out to SoE was more a question of letting his employees' children eat. I don't blame SoE. They're a vampiric corporation that lets its victims live just long enough to come back and drain a trickle more for a while, but you can't blame a leech for being a leech, especially if it's really good at leeching. You can't blame the fans. Ever. I blame Microsoft. Their greed drove them to try and force VG to be a Vista only title, and if it weren't for that, the game would only just now be hitting open beta. And I blame brown. I blame it too much.