Interesting Darkfall Update

[Kuro]

"sandboxes" have "potential" for "immersion"

[Lyenae]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

FFA PvP with full loot does not make a sandbox game.

By itself, no. It is one vital element of a sandbox game though.

[Inconsiderable]

Your posting is pathetic, Twobit.

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Create what? Items? You can certainly craft in WoW.

Awesome. Yet crafting is no viable style of playing, its merely a small minigame at best. Anyway, the ability to create is not limited to items. What about houses, cities, fortresses and empires?

Socialize? You can't talk to someone in WoW? Sure you can.

Good time talking to alliance as horde. Or group. Or change faction. Oh wait.

Kill? You can't PvP in WoW? Actually you can kill plenty of people in WoW, on both server rulesets.

Last time I checked (havent been playing wow for some years) I wasnt able to attack 50% of the player.

Shape the world? Well, I don't think Darkfall will allow much more, but if so something as simple as taking over Halaa or world PvP objectives would qualify. You change the world to your benefit, as minor as it may be.

I guess you didnt experience Shadowbane or EVE 0.0 - right?

[agoz_rz]

January 22nd 2009 Launch Date Announced for Darkfall Online. - Darkfall Forums

January 22nd 2009 Launch Date Announced for Darkfall Online.

Athens, Greece – December 5th, 2008 - Audio Visual Enterprises SA and Aventurine SA in a joint statement today announced that their highly anticipated MMORPG title Darkfall Online will launch across Europe on January 22nd, 2009. North American players are also welcome to participate in the European launch of Darkfall which will precede a North American launch.

More details to be announced as they become available.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Inconsiderable

Good time talking to alliance as horde. Or group. Or change faction. Oh wait.

So? You can still socialize. Can you not? Just because there are certain people you cannot talk to doesn't mean you cannot socialize at all. Do you not see the difference? No... probably not!

Last time I checked (havent been playing wow for some years) I wasnt able to attack 50% of the player.

So you can't kill some people. You can kill plenty of others.

Here's a newsflash. You can have a sandbox game that is single player and has no fucking killing in it whatsoever.

None of this shit is what makes a sandbox game what it is.

[Sylverlokk]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

So? You can still socialize. Can you not? Just because there are certain people you cannot talk to doesn't mean you cannot socialize at all. Do you not see the difference? No... probably not!



So you can't kill some people. You can kill plenty of others.

Here's a newsflash. You can have a sandbox game that is single player and has no fucking killing in it whatsoever.

None of this shit is what makes a sandbox game what it is.

If its a sandbox game then you have to be able to kill because sandboxes are about freedom of action. I don't think you know what a sandbox game is at all.

[Twobit Whore]

No, you don't have to be able to 'kill'. That's not what defines a sandbox game at all you moron.

[Draz]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

No, you don't have to be able to 'kill'. That's not what defines a sandbox game at all you moron.

Actually it sort of is the point, If he doesnt have the freedom to do whatever he wants in a sand box game, then....it is not a sand box game. Obviously, for a game to funtion, there has to some sort of structure to the game. But in general, a sand box game, has loser structure than other games of the same genre.

UO, EVE are sandbox. WoW, EQ, not sandbox. I would almost venture to say that, PVP servers are sandboxISH, while, PVE servers not so much. And that to gets confusing when you have cross server battle grounds.

[Digits]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

No, you don't have to be able to 'kill'. That's not what defines a sandbox game at all you moron.

Actually freedom of action is what makes a sandbox, and killing whoever you want is an example of that freedom in action. A pure sandbox game would let you interact however you choose with every portion of the game world. If there are people, you can kill them and strip them of their possessions. If there are items, you can steal them. As designers apply restrictions and rules (no talking to opposing enemy factions, no killing your own faction PCs and NPCs, no stealing) they move further away from the absolute sandbox and more towards a theme park.

How is this even a discussion? If you are inhibited by the developer that is a movement away from a sandbox, and it isn't a question of 'Yes/No' but instead of varying degrees. UO was the pinnacle of sandbox design, and EQ had a handful of restrictions (no full loot, secure trade, whatever) but still let you choose to interact with the world on your own terms (Being a diplomat and becoming non-kos to all races, or becoming an outcast and making yourself hostile to every faction possible). No modern mmo does this, and if you understood the definition of what you're arguing about this last page would not have happened.

[Draegan]

He's saying that a sandbox doesn't have to have "killing" in it. You can have plenty of games that are sandboxes that the object of the game is not doing harm on other people or game elements. Killing CAN be part of a sandbox but not a prerequisite.

[mutantmagnet]

Originally Posted by Dumar

*everything he said in the last two posts*

SO you can speak more than two sentences? Congratulations.


Anyway this is a distraction.

This whole arguement started because I said I don't like the usage of the word sandbox.


This stems from the fact sandbox has connotations that implies things Darkfall can't achieve.

Nothing you say or do will make up my mind on this matter and I will just call Darkfall an open-ended game.

That fits more neatly with Incons definition that Darkfall doesn't provide you directions.

[Draz]

Originally Posted by mutantmagnet

SO you can speak more than two sentences? Congratulations.


Anyway this is a distraction.

This whole arguement started because I said I don't like the usage of the word sandbox.


This stems from the fact sandbox has connotations that implies things Darkfall can't achieve.

Nothing you say or do will make up my mind on this matter and I will just call Darkfall an open-ended game.

That fits more neatly with Incons definition that Darkfall doesn't provide you directions.

HI-OH FANBOI AWAY!

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by mutantmagnet

SO you can speak more than two sentences? Congratulations.


Anyway this is a distraction.

This whole arguement started because I said I don't like the usage of the word sandbox.


This stems from the fact sandbox has connotations that implies things Darkfall can't achieve.

Nothing you say or do will make up my mind on this matter and I will just call Darkfall an open-ended game.

That fits more neatly with Incons definition that Darkfall doesn't provide you directions.

okay, let's play word semantics. that's a fun game. wow is just as much a sandbox game as ultima online because even in ultima online you cannot do coke lines on strippers asses while building sandcastles on the moon. and you can kill people in wow just like ultima online, so it must be just as much of a sandbox game. you win.

have you dipped your face in boiling water yet?

[Draz]

Originally Posted by Dumar

I cant get more negatives than kegkilla, so that makes me have a sandy vagina

Can you go into other players house's and steal their hidden Gold chests in WoW? NO? WTF? YOU MEAN I CANT KILL RANDOM PEOPLE ANY TIME I WANT IN WOW?! wtf WOW isnt a sandbox, it is a hand held pleasure ride.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Draz

Can you go into other players house's and steal their hidden Gold chests in WoW? NO? WTF? YOU MEAN I CANT KILL RANDOM PEOPLE ANY TIME I WANT IN WOW?! wtf WOW isnt a sandbox, it is a hand held pleasure ride.

you can't steal in wow. people can't have houses. people can't have chests either.

even if people could have houses and chests, they would be instanced. you couldn't steal them because they don't exist to you.

wow is a sandbox though!