WAR Closed Beta has started!

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Skrigg

And just to give another more positive perspective, I have 2 WoW characters in t6 content, an active AoC account, and I still find myself only logging into Warhammer when the server is up.

It does have its rough edges like Mist explained above, but the core gameplay is solid. And if you like Daoc style sieging, world pvp w/objectives, and WoW type battlegrounds all mixed into a constant pvp/pve leveling scheme, you will probably like it.

If the main reason you play mmo's is for raid pve or arena style pvp, then this probably wont draw you in.

I played DAoC to DEATH. I had almost 300 days /played before I quit, realm rank 11L2, and was a tester for Mythic. I had multiple Mythic devs/reps personal contacts on my MSN Messenger. I want this game to be good. It isn't.

Yes, I'm sure a lot of it is the Gamebryo engine and not directly Mythic's fault. EA should go buy them a new engine for this game so they can get started transferring the art assets to a new engine and recoding the game's mechanics for that engine.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by machineman

And I can't for the life of me see what people like about AoC.

It works both ways.

But I don't care about your opinion on AOC. See how that works?

I've played both, so I think my opinion is valid. Sorry you don't want to hear it.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Skrigg

And just to give another more positive perspective, I have 2 WoW characters in t6 content, an active AoC account, and I still find myself only logging into Warhammer when the server is up.

It does have its rough edges like Mist explained above, but the core gameplay is solid. And if you like Daoc style sieging, world pvp w/objectives, and WoW type battlegrounds all mixed into a constant pvp/pve leveling scheme, you will probably like it.

If the main reason you play mmo's is for raid pve or arena style pvp, then this probably wont draw you in.

See someone agreeing with me that WAR is like a giant WOW BG with some PVE thrown in. Obviously you add sieging etc as well.

And to whoever gave me -internets for being the WAR jayrebb. Please, I'm just a guy stating his opinion. Sorry it's negative.

[Skrigg]

Originally Posted by Draegan

See someone agreeing with me that WAR is like a giant WOW BG with some PVE thrown in. Obviously you add sieging etc as well.

And to whoever gave me -internets for being the WAR jayrebb. Please, I'm just a guy stating his opinion. Sorry it's negative.

Its alot more involved then any WoW battleground. To be honest comparing it to AV is a falsehood and a truth at the same time. It does have similar objectives to AV (capture and control) but that is about all you can compare. But the scale is so much more massive then AV its hard to even compare the two at all.

And that is just the world pvp aspect of the game, not including sieges, which are the point of this game and are very well done.

Edit: When i think AV I think grinding, and thats just not the case with WAR. If WoW had 12+ bgs with completly different designs and objectives (like wsg, eots, and ab) and each regular zone in wow had objectives like AV with their own siegable keeps, then the game would be a good comparison.

[machineman]

Originally Posted by Draegan

But I don't care about your opinion on AOC. See how that works?

I've played both, so I think my opinion is valid. Sorry you don't want to hear it.

Oh I've played them both. In fact, I've taken to hating AoC so much, and explicitly pointing out the flaws, problems, and people that overlook them that I've been banned from the forums over there.

I'm not here to defend WAR at all... just pointing out that for all the complete ass that AoC is, people like you like it, and maybe it's just possible that there are people who see more to WAR than you do as well.

I can tell you this for sure... WAR in it's current state even feels more solid and stable than even the most recent patch of AoC.

[Digo]

I agree with you that in a lot of ways, WAR in its current state is a more polished, stable, coherent game than AoC. However, the main difference is that I actually enjoy AoC, despite its glaring flaws. I find the minute-to-minute gameplay to be satisfying and fun. I don't get that from WAR, at all.

[Jaded]

I agree with you that in a lot of ways, WAR in its current state is a more polished, stable, coherent game than AoC.

I don't know if you can answer this or if I'm asking you to break NDA, but what about the complete lack of polish people were complaining about earlier in the thread? Lack of art in the world, making it feel sterile, etc.

I don't get that from WAR, at all

I'm not in beta or anything so I really don't know how it's shaping up, but I should hope that when the game goes live and you've actually got two sides vying for control of the server that it'll shine then. I can definitely see how beta-testing an RvR game wouldn't be very much fun.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by machineman

Oh I've played them both. In fact, I've taken to hating AoC so much, and explicitly pointing out the flaws, problems, and people that overlook them that I've been banned from the forums over there.

I'm not here to defend WAR at all... just pointing out that for all the complete ass that AoC is, people like you like it, and maybe it's just possible that there are people who see more to WAR than you do as well.

I can tell you this for sure... WAR in it's current state even feels more solid and stable than even the most recent patch of AoC.

Everyone has their own opinion. I'm just stating mine.

[guanna]

pre ordered the CE, waiting for my chance to play some beta.

[Flaric]

I went to the Baltimore Games Day convention today to get a beta code and give a try to the game at the booth there. Five friends and myself jumped in several times in some RvR and we had a blast, everyone came out with a positive, optimistic view of the game and its future.

[Naj]

Originally Posted by Flaric

I went to the Baltimore Games Day convention today to get a beta code and give a try to the game at the booth there. Five friends and myself jumped in several times in some RvR and we had a blast, everyone came out with a positive, optimistic view of the game and its future.

Sir, the PVE portion game is unpolished, how could you have had any fun playing the game? There's even gamebreaking bugs like missing animations. Fuck.

[Ailu]

The biggest problem with the game is that PvP game play isn't fun. If it was it wouldn't bother me that much that PvE is a bad copy of WoW. The beta account I've been using has been passed around in a fairly large circle of MMO veterans and none has bothered to play for more than a week. I'm sure there are going to be people who will enjoy it however.

[Kheldin]

Originally Posted by Ailu

The biggest problem with the game is that PvP game play isn't fun. If it was it wouldn't bother me that much that PvE is a bad copy of WoW. The beta account I've been using has been passed around in a fairly large circle of MMO veterans and none has bothered to play for more than a week. I'm sure there are going to be people who will enjoy it however.

Mythic can't even get keybindings coded properly (basic shit like.. movement). You'd figure fixing that would be a bigger priority than it is.

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by Mist

Loaded up the new testing phase today. It's still just WoW with an awful, unresponsive AI and terrible animations and a better quest log. This game might wouldn't have been acceptable quality 5 years ago. I don't want to break NDA but people need to hear the truth: this game is an entire generational step backwards in terms of the look and feel of the fundamental gameplay and interactivity. It's clunky garbage on a level I would not expect from any AAA title, let alone an MMO with this much funding, even in beta. It's probably not even Mythic's fault, the Gamebryo engine is just complete trash.

Originally Posted by Draegan

Don't tell people that. They'll give you -internets.

I heard the same shit about AoC, yet seems like it sold a lot of copies and tons of people are playing it.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Dashal

I heard the same shit about AoC, yet seems like it sold a lot of copies and tons of people are playing it.

But arguably, AoC tried to do "new" things. New melee combat mechanics, collision(but I believe war has that, to a lesser extent), advanced graphical engine and a goddamn no faction based PvP(I fucking hate not being able to kill half the server because they're my "allies", I'm a pk, I don't have allies, and especially not gay elves and/or dwarves).

Some (or most depending on who you are), have failed, but that's a fact, they tried something at least a BIT different from the big wow stuff. WAR... Well it has better PvP for sure, but in the end it just ends up being a wow with PvP focus, heavily influenced if not totally copied from DAoC.

It doesn't mean it'll fail or whatever, lots of people wouldn't mind playing a new wow, if it was better than the old one for PvP. What remains to be seen however is, if it will be able to compete with wow itself. Oh and a lot of people liked daoc PvP. I didn't. So yeah, war doesn't sound very appealing, with the looks of a game I quit playing, and the PvP of a game I didn't like.