WAR Closed Beta has started!

[Glaive]

Originally Posted by Skrigg

I dont think i understand what you are saying 100% but I dont think they cut those classes for being to much like thier mirrors if thats what you are saying.

They specifically stated that they cut those 4 classes because they couldn't make them "unique enough" and because they couldn't make them fun.

I argued that the first point is invalid and unnecessary because of the realities of making a game with nothing but faction-exclusive classes. Uniqueness becomes irrelevant when half the game can't experience a given class to begin with.

Once you accept that class uniqueness isn't necessarily as big of a deal, making "fun" classes becomes easier because you're really just making factional variants of the same class vs. completely unique classes in and of themselves.

In other words, if you're making a game with 12 classes per faction and all classes are faction-specific you don't really need to create 24 completely unique classes (nor do I think that's even possible). You just have to create 12 classes and essentially make 2 versions based off the core mechanics of that class. EQ2 is a good example of this.

[Kaxmax]

Class uniqueness is a huge deal. One of the best things about DAoC was the unique classes for each realm, and all the bitching that went along with it. It definitely gives each realm a sense of identity that's lacking in a game like WoW, where the sides are mirrors that just look a little different. As a Shadowblade I hated infiltrators because of DF, and I'm sure they hated me when fully buffed shadowzerkers were killing machines. On my warrior I envied the hibs with their big ass spears and back stuns (I think that was the spec with back stuns, been a while), and I'm sure they resented the fact that I didn't have to spec into 2-handed weapons. Those kinds of things lead to a general dislike of the other realms, which is definitely needed in a RvR pvp game.

Personally, I'd rather deal with the balance issues than have everything homogenized.

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

On my warrior I envied the hibs with their big ass spears and back stuns (I think that was the spec with back stuns, been a while), and I'm sure they resented the fact that I didn't have to spec into 2-handed weapons.

Lvl 50 Large Weapon skill. Annihilate I think it was called. So great.

This game seems to be like that to me. All realms/races have a tank, mdps, rdps and healer. Well now 2 dont have tanks and 2 dont have mdps, but the point is, it's 4 archetypes with some gimmicks and differences in them.

[Moontayle]

I also think that only having 40 levels will ultimately help with the balancing act. Losing the Hammerer (and the other three classes) sucks because that's one of the ones I was looking forward to playing. However, when a developer is honest enough to say, "It's not working so we're going to table it", then I'm going to be behind them 100% because that's honesty you can't buy in this industry. Besides, tabling the classes doesn't mean we won't ever see them. I kind of wish they had done the same thing to the Thief classes in DAoC. They were the last implemented before release (less than a month before release I believe) and they sucked pretty hard for a while as a result.

[Axire]

Originally Posted by Moontayle

I also think that only having 40 levels will ultimately help with the balancing act. Losing the Hammerer (and the other three classes) sucks because that's one of the ones I was looking forward to playing. However, when a developer is honest enough to say, "It's not working so we're going to table it", then I'm going to be behind them 100% because that's honesty you can't buy in this industry. Besides, tabling the classes doesn't mean we won't ever see them. I kind of wish they had done the same thing to the Thief classes in DAoC. They were the last implemented before release (less than a month before release I believe) and they sucked pretty hard for a while as a result.

Nightshade was indeed a complete peice of shit after release, played one to 50 and it was so painfull, rerolled Ranger though to feel like a god.

[spronk]

I never played DAOC so I don't really get RvR pvp, is a certain server only supposed to support one faction? Cuz the WAR servers currently let you roll either faction on the same server and even the same account, which is weird (but maybe only for beta?).

[Skrigg]

Originally Posted by spronk

I never played DAOC so I don't really get RvR pvp, is a certain server only supposed to support one faction? Cuz the WAR servers currently let you roll either faction on the same server and even the same account, which is weird (but maybe only for beta?).

Only for beta, im certain that live servers will make you choose a side per server . But both factions will be represented on each server.

[Moontayle]

Yeah, they'll do what they did in DAoC (and what Blizzard did with their PvP servers) and lock you into one faction after your first character on that server. So if you want a taste of the other side you'll need to go to a different server.

[Azrayne]

Originally Posted by Moontayle

I also think that only having 40 levels will ultimately help with the balancing act. Losing the Hammerer (and the other three classes) sucks because that's one of the ones I was looking forward to playing. However, when a developer is honest enough to say, "It's not working so we're going to table it", then I'm going to be behind them 100% because that's honesty you can't buy in this industry. Besides, tabling the classes doesn't mean we won't ever see them. I kind of wish they had done the same thing to the Thief classes in DAoC. They were the last implemented before release (less than a month before release I believe) and they sucked pretty hard for a while as a result.

But to be fair stealthers were a nightmare for balance for the entire lifespan of the game. The stealth mechanics Mythic gave them quite simply just couldn't be balanced in the greater context of the RvR endgame.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by Snugglebear

Losing classes stinks, as DAoC was so attractive to me because of the variety. Even a name change and a reskin can fool you. The upside is, having scrapped two tanks and two melee DPS, do you think they are having trouble integrating tanks into PvP? And so they are giving them a viable DPS tree, a la WoW warriors?

They will put them in later I am sure, I just hope they don't make us pay for promised release content(coughheroclassescoughcough) Still with what 20 other classes to play should be cool. I am going for either a green skin (something tells me those little goblin bastards with the pets are going to be overpowered) or the caster that is melded to that disc that would kill them if they got off.

[DrRetarded]

What is the general consensus as far as which faction will be massively over-populated? I'm assuming Order will be the underdog...

[Hatorade]

Order has paladin types so doubt it.

[Skrigg]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Order has paladin types so doubt it.

This

To be honest i think Destro will have the slight edge, but there are some awsome carrers to play on the Order side. Im used to playing the evil side but after playing the White Lion......i might be an elf....shudder.

[DrRetarded]

I just fired up my beta access again last night, and it's at least satisfying to see how stable they've gotten the client compaired to what it was earlier this year. The one thing that bothers me is the pace of combat. I forgot how slow things seem, overall (at least with a tank). Are there any particular classes you guys have found that provide the feel of the game / combat moving at faster pace?

[Skrigg]

New RvR gameplay video up here. It is recent footage.