[EQ2] The Ultimate Newb Thread

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Gallenite

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[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by DisgruntledOrangatang

But on Lucan I can't find shit for groups it's really annoying. I did group once and as a trio we destroyed BB and yeah it was awesome but since then I can't find a group for anything, been trying for stronghold and just get no luck. I know I shoulda rolled on AB but its too late now, my friends and myself all got chars there and the others are too casual to start over.

Another prob is I am broke as a hoe, so I am only using apprentice 2 for the majority of my spells because I can't afford adept 3s on the broker. I think I only have 3g to my name atm. Thats what I get for not crafting/liking the crafting system I guess because I certainly have been hoarding my money from quests and don't die hardly ever but I still have no where near the couple of plat for an adept 3 spell that I got 5 levels ago.

Okay couple of things.

1. Lucan Dlere - Some of my best and most dear friends play on Lucan, but the server population is at least in my opinion, too low to support the community. Always a challenge to find a group, regardless of the level range. You mention its "too late to change" and thats a bunch of hog-wash. I walked away from a full range of characters, including a 60 templar, 33 warlock, 20 something assasin etc. After a week on AB, I was kicking myself for not moving over earlier. Unless you are in the top 1% for your class on the server, geared to the gills with 1.5 billion plat in your account, you can and should walk away. Even the ubers should consider the option, or transferring. What good is all that shit if you have noone to play with ?

If you move, they will move, and it sounds like they don't play enough for it to make a difference if you do anyway.

2. You are broke as a hoe, which is a pretty funny statement. I have known several strippers (who I guess are ho's) and they all had money coming out their asses (no pun intended). Anyway, you don't craft, thats fine, you don't have to. But you can, and MUST harvest. The rares market is absurdly fucked up right now, and there is no reason you can't take advantage of it. Spend an hour a day, or a couple hours a week and harvest. Sell your rares, and you will be rolling in the dough in no time.

Addtionally, fucking forget Adept 1's and III's. The veterans (and the money grubbing whore's) KNOW that the big shiney items and spells are what attracts you (look at yourself, you only mention Adept III's as though Apprentice 1-4 and Adept 1 do not exist, and are not an option, you make their treasure bath possible). There is next to no reason, NONE to be blowing your money on Adept 1's or Adept III's and masters before you hit level 56. Why would you bother ? Your going to replace the godamned thing within 14 levels anyway.

Go to the broker and search out a spell of yours. Right click and examine the Apprentice IV and the Adept 1. See how little difference there is ? Then look at the prices. All the way to 56 on my current character, I have always shopped for the Apprentice IV's and since I understand this is a grouping game and not a soloing game, the small percentage I loose in effectiveness is absorbed by the group. And I am not broke. No where near broke. That's not to say if you don't see a good deal you shouldn't grab it, by all means do (and LOL at you stupid fucks who sell the Adept I's for less the other people sell the AppIV's for, you need to get your heads out of the undercut game and take a look around, better yet, stay that way, I appreciate it. Thanks morons !! ).

Finally and quite completely, get the hell off the grave yard that is Lucan D'Lere. Swell group of people, but you need mass to support an economy. I would often times go for days on my Lucan character and not sell a goddamned thing. Nothing. Zero. Nada, no income. On AB, with the huge population, I sell something every single day. I usually sell many somethings every single day. Hell I can check and collect cash in the morning, check in the after noon and collect some more, and check again before bed and you guessed, it, "cha-ching". And I sell items from 10silver up to multiple plat, and any money coming in is better then no money coming in. I am not filthy stinking rich like some people I know, who comtemplate spending 100p on a spell or weapon upgrade, but I ain't broke with 3g to my name.

No people = no economy = no money = you a dull boy. Talk to your friends, tell them you need to take care of YOU first, and everyone else after. Make the move and I guarantee you within a week or two, as you experience plentiful groups, chat windows for level chat that move like a stock ticker, and a vibrant, robust and healthy economy, you won't ever look back. Ever.

You have the power to improve your game experience. If you are unwilling to take action to do so, then you forfeit the right to bitch about it on the forums.

[DisgruntledOrangatang]

Thanks for the tips sir. Convinced my friends to reroll as well.

Oh yeah and send me some gd backpacks! Freak harvesting when youre a newb with 16 slots only.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Okay couple of things.


Finally and quite completely, get the hell off the grave yard that is Lucan D'Lere. Swell group of people, but you need mass to support an economy. I would often times go for days on my Lucan character and not sell a goddamned thing. Nothing. Zero. Nada, no income. On AB, with the huge population, I sell something every single day. I usually sell many somethings every single day. Hell I can check and collect cash in the morning, check in the after noon and collect some more, and check again before bed and you guessed, it, "cha-ching". And I sell items from 10silver up to multiple plat, and any money coming in is better then no money coming in. I am not filthy stinking rich like some people I know, who comtemplate spending 100p on a spell or weapon upgrade, but I ain't broke with 3g to my name.

No people = no economy = no money = you a dull boy. Talk to your friends, tell them you need to take care of YOU first, and everyone else after. Make the move and I guarantee you within a week or two, as you experience plentiful groups, chat windows for level chat that move like a stock ticker, and a vibrant, robust and healthy economy, you won't ever look back. Ever.

You have the power to improve your game experience. If you are unwilling to take action to do so, then you forfeit the right to bitch about it on the forums.

You have no fucking clue of what you're talking about, I cash in over 10pp a week by selling junk on LDL, I can fill my groups at will and the last thing I want is MORE people to leapfrog me in dungeons. If you can't find groups, I must say the issue lies somewhere else.

And for adept3s/masters: there is a reason on why you should want them and that is not to suck when you fight non-green mobs, but I'm sure you don't enjoy such activities if you can "get along fine" with app4.
If half of your spells are resisted, your are useless or you have to fight green mobs to compensate, also it's a matter of "character progression" which isn't only 57-70 for 90% of the eq2 population.

And more, if you are a soloer, fighting with app4 is like hammering your nuts with a sledgehammer and while doable with certain classes and a lot of patience, it's a fucking pain in the case of a wizard, which is what the guy is playing.

Get a clue and now sing your percussion of stones, buff bot.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Miele

You have no fucking clue of what you're talking about, I cash in over 10pp a week by selling junk on LDL, I can fill my groups at will and the last thing I want is MORE people to leapfrog me in dungeons. If you can't find groups, I must say the issue lies somewhere else.

And for adept3s/masters: there is a reason on why you should want them and that is not to suck when you fight non-green mobs, but I'm sure you don't enjoy such activities if you can "get along fine" with app4.
If half of your spells are resisted, your are useless or you have to fight green mobs to compensate, also it's a matter of "character progression" which isn't only 57-70 for 90% of the eq2 population.

And more, if you are a soloer, fighting with app4 is like hammering your nuts with a sledgehammer and while doable with certain classes and a lot of patience, it's a fucking pain in the case of a wizard, which is what the guy is playing.

Get a clue and now sing your percussion of stones, buff bot.

I wasn't meaning to offend you (or any other Lucanites) I was just relaying my experiences on Lucan. That was the server I started on, played for two years, took a year off and returned to.

I realize its your home server and all, but insults aside, the population on AB is maxed out daily, I forget the term that is used, I havent made a character in a while, is it "full" "extremely heavy" ? Whatever.

I don't think Lucan gets above "medium" or whatever the term is, ever. You may not have any challenge selling stuff or finding groups, but I highly doubt that is across all level ranges. You are probably 70, and I will admit the population is probably thicker there, but I was playing 60, 33, and mid 20's as i indicated. Of course you could be talking about the same tiers, but I doubt it.

You may or may not know that they are about to remove the resistance differences from App1-4 and Adept 1, further reducing the "importance" factor of getting Adept1. I didn't say it wasn't worth it to get those spells, I said if he is having trouble with money, to forget about chasing Adept 1 and Apprenctice III's and masters, to help him conserve money. I agree the difference between adept 1 and III, and then again to Master 1 is pretty sizable and is definately something to consider, but for a new character who is leveling up and struggling financially, AppIV's are a sensible alternative, and will help him generate and save alot more cash.

Honestly, I think you should not even bother until 52 for armor, or 56 for Adept III's / Masters unless you are in a guild who sugar daddies you, or you are some twink with a big bank account.


In terms of fighting greens or higher con mobs, I don't solo, ever. My spells at Appiv mixed with Adept I's and Master II's have no resistance issues as long as I am fighting within my range. As I also said, it's a grouping game. You can of course solo, but to advise a new player to both solo and rub his dick on the cheese grinder to equip himself so he CAN solo is rediculous.

Finally, I absolutely love playing a Bard. Glad I finally found a good fit class wise. Theres not a single thing I don't enjoy, because I recognize that Bard is built to support others, not solo h^^^ yellows. I am far, far more then a buff bot, I buff, debuff, and do some melee damage. I also stun, interrupt, and can even fear if needed for some ghetto CC. What class do you play ? Uber kool do0d DPS_1,993,361,988 ?

It seems I struck a nerve with you, and that was not my intention. My advice is sound, my observations on your server are accurate, and I stand by both.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Stuff

Ok, I admit I came out quite rude and apologize for that, sincerely, it's not my style, guess it just escaped me, including the buffbot comment, but I wasn't trying to defend my server because honestly I couldn't care less as long as I have friends to play with and someone who buys and sells stuff on the broker.

I was pointing out that your remarks on server population are at the very least incorrect ("graveyard server"), although I have no difficulty believing that AB has a higher population, I can assure you that LDL one is healthy enough at all level ranges (after all, how many groups do you need at the same time?), not that for guilded people this should matter, but at times it does, cause most of the guilds are shitty and don't care about their members at all. You can't imagine how many people ask for groups or at least 1-2 partners to kill a mob, still they show a guildtag above their names.

Anyway, I solo when no one else is online, because I play more than I sleep aside from working every weekday for 9 hours. Because of this I do some quest steps solo or just go and join a random pickup group. I had no issues finding groups in any tier, but this is because if needed I'm good at forming them myself after watching the chat for a few minutes and putting together some sort of killing machine that works fine enough for a certain zone.

AB may be packed with people, but LDL is packed enough to frustrate me on off-hours (I'm from EU) for leapfrogging groups jumping mine on a named after we cleared all the trash. I couldn't live with more than this, guess to each his own.

I'd also like to address the spell/ca quality point from a more detailed point of view.

Take for example my conjurer which is basically master/adept3 only, currently level 57 and has been like that from level 15 and over. Being also a sage I craft my own adept 3s from the rares I harvest or buy rares by selling other rares I don't need.

My earth pet tanked for groups for about 45 levels, when I pull out the mage pet, my tank sure must be good or he won't hold agro often, my scout pet packs a punch and can even take a couple hits so I use it if my tanks are either crappy or our pulls would scare the average pickup for the number of encounters we face on each tank charge (our zerker is a crazy gnome) or in zones where the tank has little room to play with AE CAs.
I have this old EQ1 sickness that pushes me to fight everything with a proper name without any specific reason: it's a named and it has to die, so if I spot one when traveling somewhere...this is when I solo.

Thanks to this maniacal gearing up and crafting/upgrading trend, our guild groups can clear a place up to two times faster than the average app4 pickup group, it's in the numbers, it's all math: more damage, more power, faster kills, less downtime. And we don't even rush places, still no pickup can hold a candle to this kill rythm. So, when I read on a board where people is usually obsessed with killing speed, such as the kill-rate of wow cash farming (admitelly don't remember if you are/were among this crowd) and see "app4 are enough", at the very least I feel obliged to correct the sentence in "app4 are enough if you dont care about X and Y and Z", where the variables represent the level of the mobs you can kill, the speed at which you kill them and the "oh shit" situations you can come out of.

I'll be even more clear: we trio or 4-men epicx2 mobs that are 4-5 levels below us (high greens, even some blues). I duoed (SK+inquisitor) a lvl 40 epicx2 at level 47. It's about the challenge sometimes, or just because the mob was there. We gave at level 55 about 7 seconds of life to the final mob for the carpet quest a 57^^^ with a 2k AoE and a 3,5k dd proc on the tank. We fight yellow and orange cons without breaking a sweat. We do things in 3-4 that a pickup wiped on with 6. It's a matter of dedication, not of e-peen waving, because I think this is the first time I say this publicly.
I think it's better to invest in my characters all I can, and gear them as best as I can for each level they ding. It's about having more options, it's being able to use a tank pet for a fight to help a person instead of having to wait for a real tank and possibly a healer to move and join us and stuff like that.

Of course there are spells/ca that are shitty enough, so that app4/adeptI will do (just think to some buffs and their horrible scaling or semi-useless long cooldown abilities), but for others it's a world of difference, especially damage spells, taunts or heals.

It's also literally impossible for a non app4/adept1 tank to hold agro over an adept3/mastered dps'er, no chance in hell, unless of course the dps does only autoattack, which in a way limits my choices for pickup groups (a rare occurence anyway) but on the other hands show me which players do care enough about their toons and makes me want to group with them again.

Onto the following: I don't understand your point of view on the game. You advocate the appIV theory and go on defending the role of a bard in a group and all the cool and useful buffs/debuffs you do, but I can honestly tell you that if the other group members would be geared with mastercrafted/legendary and adept3s/masters, the utility of a bard would be quite lower (raid situation nonwithstanding, there bards are just godly).
So, pick one: do I need a bard to buff me up or should I just buff up myself and look for any class as a filler? I prefer to have a choice, if I get a bard on top of what I have, it's even better, but still is far from being a overly-desiderable class in any group situations I can think about on the fly.

To your last question: I played a guardian for ages, abandoned it, deleted it, rerolled several characters (I tried all the 24 classes to at least mid level, also to learn how they work). I prefer to heal (I have a druid) but I let others do it since they want to, I often dps (currently as a conjurer, I love pet classes), I sometimes tank (as shadowknight), all depending on guild needs and to accomodate for other people wanting to play an alt. I have also a 22 dirge which is a sort of experiment, but to me it's not that fun honestly, at least for now, by lvl 45 I should decide if I'll trash it or keep it.

[The Hiram Key]

Without going point by point in response (and thank you for the clarifications) the difference in percentage from AppIV to Adept 1 across all my main group buffs and debuffs is miniscule. Some of the biggest ones that people know about and want (DKTM-crit buff) are a static number, I can't improve it because its a final AA skill choice.

Anyways, if I increase DPS by 17.7 percent, or 19.3 percent, how is that going to make a "huge" difference to any pick up group or guild group ? The only people who are going to make a stink are min/maxers, and if Bards are falling off trees like apples, they are welcome to shop around for the one with the Adept III's or Masters only. This is not bleeding edge raiding were talking about here, this is level 57 HQ, Pug, guild groups, instances and overland grinding.

Now 17.7% (appiv) to 25% (master) is a much larger and significant jump. People would be hard pressed to find 1.something dps difference (though those never see the sun freaks are out there..."my DPS decreased by .002231 holy fuck get me a better geared bard STAT !!!"), but 7.something is a lot more noticible, and has an actual impact.

At level 57 in a brand new guild (less then 60 days old) and no sugar daddy / main for cash, I am stuck with the economic realities that are AB. I can pay 1-15g for the Appiv, or I can pay 70-90gold for the Adept 1, or I can pay 2-35plat for the Master. You represent a good point though, you can take the tradeskill that makes your spells and save alot of money. I chose not to go the pigeon hole route this go around, I acknowledge that and I have no problem living with my decision.

It's not a difficult choice to make here. I will definately work toward Masters in all the key spells from 56 on up, but I will be a savy shopper, buy only the good deals, pray for the drop gods to smile on me, and hope my guild members are generous if they get any.

I don't make the fucked up economy, I just move through it and try to survive while having fun

[redjunkopera]

Gallenite,

Please... for the love of God... can we get some spam filters? AND when a char gets deleted all the mail he sent gets deleted too?

I'm so fucking sick of gold spam.

[Man0warr]

WoW gets as much/more spam, but atleast people can make UI addons that filter it and automatically report the goldseller to GMs :P Need a mod like that for EQ2!

[The Hiram Key]

The gold spam was fucking horrendous this weekend. These arrogant cocksuckers dont just send you a poorly constructed, grammatically incorrect sales pitch, they fucking shift up arrow and send it to you 2-5 times in a row.

Are you telling me you can't add a command line option to shut off tells from level 1-10 ? 1-20 ? I don't give a sweet jesus fuck if it has a fancy interface with bells and whistles and candy canes, just give me the functionality.

If the words "in developement" get uttered in regards to this, you FAIL.

[Big W Powah!]

What healing classes does Mistwalker's need, curiously? Thinking about re-rolling, as my sister is a fuckwad and I'm sick of dealing with her.

Preferrably would play an inquisitor (first choice) or a warden(Secondary choice).

Could be convinced to play a templar as well, if theres steady groups.

Would play a fury, if theres any need for those (I HIGHLY doubt it), as well.

[Menion]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

The gold spam was fucking horrendous this weekend. These arrogant cocksuckers dont just send you a poorly constructed, grammatically incorrect sales pitch, they fucking shift up arrow and send it to you 2-5 times in a row.

Are you telling me you can't add a command line option to shut off tells from level 1-10 ? 1-20 ? I don't give a sweet jesus fuck if it has a fancy interface with bells and whistles and candy canes, just give me the functionality.

If the words "in developement" get uttered in regards to this, you FAIL.

I would rather see a filter based on a characters age. (how many hours, days old a character is) Because a LOT of trade skill alts are parked in the 1-20 level range.

[Sinter1]

Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

What healing classes does Mistwalker's need, curiously? Thinking about re-rolling, as my sister is a fuckwad and I'm sick of dealing with her.

Preferrably would play an inquisitor (first choice) or a warden(Secondary choice).

Could be convinced to play a templar as well, if theres steady groups.

Would play a fury, if theres any need for those (I HIGHLY doubt it), as well.

Think we have more Inquisitors than wardens, though I'm not 100% sure on the exact numbers.

[Wanand]

So i reactivated my account after 2 half years , and my god this game got fast so much more fast paced then i remember it back in beta and earley launch. Deffinalty more fun to play, still looks ugly as hell imo espcially some of the plate armor and eveything still shines to much.

Still cannot play on Max settings even on my new pc that runs lotro on max settings and that looks alot better then EQ2 does , not sure what is causing it i think i read somewhere it is the shadows.

Leveling is a whole lot faster as well only played about 6-7 hours over the weekend and got to level 17 i remember that taking me a few days of 10+hrs a day back in beta/launch. Overall i am impressed with what they done with the game but will have to see what it is like high end.

Few questions i started off as a evil fairy thing necromancer the quests i currently got are all pointing me to Commonlands i was kinda hoping to level up on the new stuff on Faydwer side of things, is that side pretty much only for good races? interms of quest hubs and towns? Also any good sites for a newbie crafter and also looking for a site telling me about the lore books i remember them somthing about collecting the different body parts of mobs for a book and it gave good xp and a trophie but cannot remeber where i got them all from etc

[Miele]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

stuff

To close the argument, I agree with you that the difference from app4 to ad1 is small enough to not care about it.

Do you really pay 70-90g for adept 1s on AB or was a typo with ad3s?
That would be astupid amount of money to pay for an adept1.

To Wanand: at 20 you can quest in Butcherblock, after the newbie zone there is no faction restriction for quests in Faydwer.